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h8kurdt · 11.22.2019, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

It will be hard for the 'never-Tories' to swallow, but I really think it's in the long-term interests of the Labour party that they lose big next month, if only to force Corbyn out.

Keir Starmer seems like the natural replacement. I may not always agree with him but he does have both feet in the real world and would at least start the process of rebuilding the party into one that's able to mount a realistic challenge to the Tories again.

Tbh, I'm just more pissed off at the general public for falling for the Tories and medias lies. Forget the apocalypse theory of Corbyn. This is a conservative government that has strangled the poor and the working class. That the idea of the top 5% of the population paying more tax is such a horrendous idea. Even though the average person will never get to that stage.

And I'm sure you're rolling your eyes and thinking I'm an idealist but when did the Conversatives taking £200,000 in donation money from the wife of the former finance minister under Russian President Vladimir Putin become a-ok. All the while they suppress the report into Russian election interference.

Funnily enough a part of me is like, "fuck em, let em drown in debt and use the food banks. It's their fault for helping vote the bastards in". I'm lucky enough to be earning a decent wage and have a comfortable life. Why should I worry about them? Joys of empathy, ey?

This is another anti-conservative rant by h8kurdt. Love//

h8kurdt · 11.22.2019, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666

It will be hard for the 'never-Tories' to swallow, but I really think it's in the long-term interests of the Labour party that they lose big next month, if only to force Corbyn out.

Keir Starmer seems like the natural replacement. I may not always agree with him but he does have both feet in the real world and would at least start the process of rebuilding the party into one that's able to mount a realistic challenge to the Tories again.

You reckon they'll lose big?

demonrail666 · 11.22.2019, 12:00 PM

A lot is gonna depend on how the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party impact on Labour and Tory votes. And we've not even seen the Tory's manifesto yet. So while the polls obviously put them way ahead, there's still plenty of time for Boris to throw it all away. Whatever happens though, I do think Corbyn's manifesto has made the chances of a Labour majority even more remote than they were already. But I expected Labour to be obliterated in the last election, and I was way off the mark. So who knows?

ilduclo · 11.22.2019, 12:34 PM

guessing most folks as sick of Boris as we are of Donnie. Elections, havatchu!! Let loose the dogs of elections!! TO THE BARRICADES!

demonrail666 · 11.22.2019, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

And I'm sure you're rolling your eyes and thinking I'm an idealist

I'm actually not. I just think that if you want to defeat the Tories you may have to be prepared to lose the battle in order to win the war. I follow a lot of different online media from all sides of the spectrum and the one thing I've learnt is that if there's a group of people who love Corbyn even more than his core supporters, it's those who want to see the Labour party destroyed.

h8kurdt · 11.22.2019, 03:51 PM

These questions from the audience to Boris are brutal. Fair play to them for making him squirm.

demonrail666 · 11.22.2019, 05:12 PM

Boris really doesn't do well against hostile questions. He's the opposite of Corbyn, who I always find a bit cringey when addressing his supporters but seems far more convincing when he's being attacked. Meanwhile am I the only one who finds Jo Swinson almost unwatchably irritating?

h8kurdt · 11.22.2019, 11:22 PM

Nope. Think pretty much everybody watching her decided they'd rather watch twelve constant hours of keeping up appearances than go through watching her again. She's lost a fair few bites from it for sure.

Awful and the audience gave her nothing.

!@#$%! · 11.23.2019, 06:42 AM

i heard maybe a week or 2 ago that the liberal democrats were making gains. what happened with swinson?

demonrail666 · 11.23.2019, 08:50 AM

I don't think it's what happened to Swinson, so much as the more people are coming into contact with her the more dislikable she's becoming. She's cynically trying to position herself as the progressive candidate when any knowledge of her previous voting record tells you she's anything but. I'm even starting to wonder if she isn't just a little bit loopy.

!@#$%! · 11.23.2019, 09:16 AM

that looks like a tory, not any kind of “liberal”!

demonrail666 · 11.23.2019, 09:34 AM

In the dictionary, under 'woke capitalism', there's a photo of Jo Swinson wearing a Pride cap.

_tunic_ · 11.24.2019, 05:50 AM

Prince Andrew's mum has cancelled his birthday party

!@#$%! · 11.24.2019, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by _tunic_

Prince Andrew's mum has cancelled his birthday party

hahahahahahahahaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa

demonrail666 · 11.24.2019, 12:34 PM

So Boris finally launched his manifesto. Very little to say about it. Doesn't really offer anything. Doesn't really take anything away. Essentially cautious, which is clearly a decision made in light of May's disastrously cavalier manifesto in 2015.

Brexit aside, no floating voter's gonna be persuaded to vote Tory cos they find anything in this even remotely exciting, or inspiring. Boris is obviously just banking on enough of them simply being put off by Labour's more high-risk approach.

h8kurdt · 11.24.2019, 01:33 PM

The polls have the conservatives running away with it. Don't think it's as clear cut as that, mind. The spending they want to do whilst refusing to raise any taxes is baffling. No magic money tree and all that.

Was thinking about what you said the other day about some vocal Corbyn supporters would rather see Labour be ruined than actually aim for a labour win if it meant Corbyn stepping down. I'm trying to think of the last time that's happened with a party and I'm stumped. Is it something that's more likely with the use of twitter etc?

!@#$%! · 11.24.2019, 01:54 PM

can someone please rep tunic for me? i can’t, and can’t stop laughing at that post either. much credit ofc to terry jones/mandy cohen lololol.

but anyway

everyone does manifestos these days?

demonrail666 · 11.24.2019, 01:57 PM

^h8kurdt

I don't know if I was saying that exactly but I do think the Corbynistas are putting principle over pragmatism. But in fairness, they'd point to 2015 as evidence that a Corbyn victory isn't entirely out of the question. But in terms of a party going that far down a quite extreme position, knowing it may well make them less viable in an election, I can't think of another occasion, either. Although I think the Dems in the US could well go down that route in a few years if the likes of AOC and Ilhan Omar are able to really define the direction that party goes.

!@#$%! · 11.24.2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

^h8kurdt

I don't know if I was saying that exactly but I do think the Corbynistas are putting principle over pragmatism. But in fairness, they'd point to 2015 as evidence that a Corbyn victory isn't entirely out of the question. But in terms of a party going that far down a quite extreme position, knowing it may well make them less viable in an election, I can't think of another occasion, either. Although I think the Dems in the US could well go down that route in a few years if the likes of AOC and Ilhan Omar are able to really define the direction that party goes.

i dont know why the focus on aoc and omar when bernie and warren are running for president already, to say nothing of weird-ass tulsi

here’s an article that touches on that through the rhetorical device of painting obama as a (sane) conservative

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...-conservative/

a bit long for copypasta, but you should get 10 free reads after clearing cookies, i think...

(if not, lmk)

demonrail666 · 11.24.2019, 02:48 PM

Yeah, I'm hit straight away with a paywall

EDIT: Scratch that. it's working. Reading now

--

Sounds about right. I'd say that, before recent changes in party identities, Obama could've fitted into a centre-right Tory party (Cameron/May), although I think he'd have been more comfortable in Blair's New Labour. I don't think he'd fit in either party now.

11.22.2019, 12:00 PM	#663
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	A lot is gonna depend on how the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party impact on Labour and Tory votes. And we've not even seen the Tory's manifesto yet. So while the polls obviously put them way ahead, there's still plenty of time for Boris to throw it all away. Whatever happens though, I do think Corbyn's manifesto has made the chances of a Labour majority even more remote than they were already. But I expected Labour to be obliterated in the last election, and I was way off the mark. So who knows?
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11.22.2019, 12:34 PM	#664
ilduclo invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,305	guessing most folks as sick of Boris as we are of Donnie. Elections, havatchu!! Let loose the dogs of elections!! TO THE BARRICADES!
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11.22.2019, 03:51 PM	#666
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	These questions from the audience to Boris are brutal. Fair play to them for making him squirm. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.22.2019, 05:12 PM	#667
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Boris really doesn't do well against hostile questions. He's the opposite of Corbyn, who I always find a bit cringey when addressing his supporters but seems far more convincing when he's being attacked. Meanwhile am I the only one who finds Jo Swinson almost unwatchably irritating?
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11.22.2019, 11:22 PM	#668
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Nope. Think pretty much everybody watching her decided they'd rather watch twelve constant hours of keeping up appearances than go through watching her again. She's lost a fair few bites from it for sure. Awful and the audience gave her nothing. __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.23.2019, 06:42 AM	#669
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,546	i heard maybe a week or 2 ago that the liberal democrats were making gains. what happened with swinson?
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11.23.2019, 08:50 AM	#670
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I don't think it's what happened to Swinson, so much as the more people are coming into contact with her the more dislikable she's becoming. She's cynically trying to position herself as the progressive candidate when any knowledge of her previous voting record tells you she's anything but. I'm even starting to wonder if she isn't just a little bit loopy.
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11.23.2019, 09:16 AM	#671
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,546	that looks like a tory, not any kind of “liberal”!
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11.23.2019, 09:34 AM	#672
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	In the dictionary, under 'woke capitalism', there's a photo of Jo Swinson wearing a Pride cap.
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11.24.2019, 05:50 AM	#673
_tunic_ invito al cielo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: I could live in eurHope Posts: 3,936	Prince Andrew's mum has cancelled his birthday party __________________ what comes first, the music or the words?
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11.24.2019, 12:34 PM	#675
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	So Boris finally launched his manifesto. Very little to say about it. Doesn't really offer anything. Doesn't really take anything away. Essentially cautious, which is clearly a decision made in light of May's disastrously cavalier manifesto in 2015. Brexit aside, no floating voter's gonna be persuaded to vote Tory cos they find anything in this even remotely exciting, or inspiring. Boris is obviously just banking on enough of them simply being put off by Labour's more high-risk approach.
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11.24.2019, 01:33 PM	#676
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	The polls have the conservatives running away with it. Don't think it's as clear cut as that, mind. The spending they want to do whilst refusing to raise any taxes is baffling. No magic money tree and all that. Was thinking about what you said the other day about some vocal Corbyn supporters would rather see Labour be ruined than actually aim for a labour win if it meant Corbyn stepping down. I'm trying to think of the last time that's happened with a party and I'm stumped. Is it something that's more likely with the use of twitter etc? __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.24.2019, 01:54 PM	#677
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,546	can someone please rep tunic for me? i can’t, and can’t stop laughing at that post either. much credit ofc to terry jones/mandy cohen lololol. but anyway everyone does manifestos these days?
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11.24.2019, 01:57 PM	#678
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	^h8kurdt I don't know if I was saying that exactly but I do think the Corbynistas are putting principle over pragmatism. But in fairness, they'd point to 2015 as evidence that a Corbyn victory isn't entirely out of the question. But in terms of a party going that far down a quite extreme position, knowing it may well make them less viable in an election, I can't think of another occasion, either. Although I think the Dems in the US could well go down that route in a few years if the likes of AOC and Ilhan Omar are able to really define the direction that party goes.
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11.24.2019, 02:48 PM	#680
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Yeah, I'm hit straight away with a paywall EDIT: Scratch that. it's working. Reading now -- Sounds about right. I'd say that, before recent changes in party identities, Obama could've fitted into a centre-right Tory party (Cameron/May), although I think he'd have been more comfortable in Blair's New Labour. I don't think he'd fit in either party now.
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