The Mighty Football Thread - Page 388

!@#$%! · 11.19.2016, 05:36 PM

nice-- kloppo's revenge!

h8kurdt · 11.20.2016, 04:42 AM

Conte says hi

demonrail666 · 11.20.2016, 07:41 AM

Yep, them too.

!@#$%! · 11.20.2016, 09:30 AM

ah, conte is smarter than kloppo

also dresses waaaay better

except for that "arthritis" bracelet. so maybe i'm wrong.

demonrail666 · 11.20.2016, 09:46 AM

Chelsea play in about an hour's time. They've been looking excellent this past few weeks.

!@#$%! · 11.20.2016, 09:51 AM

oh i dont have access to nbc sports...

will have to wait for the CL i guess

demonrail666 · 11.21.2016, 09:40 PM

So Klinsmann's finally sacked. Any word on his likely replacement?

!@#$%! · 11.22.2016, 01:18 AM

and finally

THE GREAT BRUCE ARENA RETURNS

demonrail666 · 11.22.2016, 08:40 AM

Yeah, probably the best choice in the middle of a qualifying campaign. God knows where Klinsmann goes now, though. There was some talk of him taking over the England but that's thankfully died down now. Possible move to the MLS? Although I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves football altogether, and becomes some kind of new age guru, or something. I fucking hate that bloke.

!@#$%! · 11.22.2016, 09:12 AM

hahaha new age guru

yeah im disappointed by the constant rollercoaster, but i dont know much about his personal life

he's a trained german baker though. maybe he'll take over walmart's bakeries and revolutionize the way america eats bread ha haha. damn, i would sure like that actually...

but anyway at least he got us some great new players and i think he's made important contributions--arena should provide cohesion and sober management to the team on the pitch though.

demonrail666 · 11.22.2016, 02:21 PM

I always got the impression that he felt he was a bit too good for the job. He may have been, although I don't think he was, but either way, it's never good to project that attitude.

!@#$%! · 11.22.2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

I always got the impression that he felt he was a bit too good for the job. He may have been, although I don't think he was, but either way, it's never good to project that attitude.

oh i see.

what i read from him overall was that europe was too good for the usa and until the usa embraces european ways they're not gonna be any good.

and to an extent he was right--'merica has to embrace the global sport in order to compete globally beyond the concacaf puddle. he went and found new eligible players in europe and encouraged americans to play abroad. this is good-- not just for quality in the squad but also for young players to set their sights beyond the mls.

as for his tactical approach, i think it has ended in failure. not because he wanted to embrace possession, but because he halfassed it and would change tactics last minute and create confusion.

arena should be a lot more pragmatic-- he's actually a smart man even if he's not a world champion footballer (probably because of it ha ha ha). he should manage better.

and klinsmann is likely not as smart as he thinks he is-- always blamed other people or circumstances for his mistakes--an important part of intelligence is the ability to recognize one's limits.

but i think that his attempt to broaden our futbol horizons and to demand a higher work ethic were a good cultural shift. even if he did it poorly, and offended a lot of people with classic german arrogance, it was time for 'merica to look seriously beyond the MLS. that i think has been accomplished and it will pay off in coming years.

demonrail666 · 11.22.2016, 03:17 PM

I'd say Arena's pragmatism is always a better option for international football. Obviously there's Bielsa and what he did but you can't treat someone like him as a model. Hence his cult status. Maybe Klinsmann saw himself as a Bielsa-like figure, I certainly think those who appointed him did, but 9 times out of 10 that just doesn't work.

!@#$%! · 11.22.2016, 03:22 PM

oh i just edited my post to add nuance (or not: "classic german arrogance" lol). maybe detail not nuance.

i'd bring bielsa here to run the academies, not to manage the national team.

part of what he did in chile is because the south american style is already based on passing and skill. so he added running and physicality and pressing to it (possible only after the era of malnutrition, smoking and alcoholism ended).

but as long as american kids are taugh to kick & run they'll continue to be clumsy. clumsy doesn't win games. even a good counterattacking game requires high skill (e.g. griezmann's dribbling or pirlo's passes and of course defending)

pulisic's croatian father took him back to germany when he was... 7? or something? anyway. yes. schooling does it.

demonrail666 · 11.22.2016, 04:05 PM

I agree about Bielsa being good for academies. I actually think Klinsmann might've been ok if he'd only dealt with that. But then the US's traditional reliance on colleges (rather than academies) for player development/recruitment poses its own unique problems - for football/soccer anyway. Although is that also the case for baseball? I know the NBA and NFL mainly recruits from universities, but what about MLB?

!@#$%! · 11.22.2016, 04:29 PM

in recent years there have been some academies popping up including a national one. and i think more parents are starting to see futbol as a possible meal ticket for their kids rather than just a suburban game so here's to that.

baseball has minor leagues as well as the majors, so that's where they scout for talent (as well as college, internationally etc). the international scouting is not a small thing-- lots of dominicans in the MLB. well i really don't know much about baseball, only the dominican thing. but yeah.

baseball you can play till much older though.

the thing with futbol is that it's such an abnormal human skill (using the feet not the hands) that if you don't get it very early you never get it. can't take a 17 year old derailed basketball player into a midfielder.

arena was a lacrosse player though! ha ha.

!@#$%! · 11.23.2016, 01:56 PM

damn, bayern losing a little russian .... jeezus almost a 4th goal. such awful defense gaps bayern.

amazing surprise but why did the games start so early today?

holy shit, rostov beats bayern 3-2

eye-popping. have to catch the rest of it

!@#$%! · 11.23.2016, 02:00 PM

bayern had 71% possession but only 40% of goals ha ha ha

ancelotti has to shake things up because he's keeping the same weaknesses that pep installed.

boating awful today im looking at replays holy shit

neuer wasn't there. but jeezus ma.

i have to rewatch this. i mean watich it complete. WITLF

Rostov!

demonrail666 · 11.23.2016, 08:00 PM

I don't know if it's the case in other leagues but I'm noticing some Prem teams are fielding very weakened sides this season in the CL, like they're really prioritising the league.

!@#$%! · 11.23.2016, 08:12 PM

there was nothing weak about bayern except for the injuries (robben, martinez, neuer, i forget who else)

and when neuer is gone you notice the flaws in the defense much more-- some of those goals neuer could have saved

and badstuber was playing-- he is such a jinx

i gotta watch the whole thing though-- semi-busy day with tomorrow's US holiday. i didn't get the whole thing with today's change of schedule-- caught the last 15 minutes plus post-match highlights-- damn, bayern looked vulnerable

11.19.2016, 05:36 PM	#7741
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	nice-- kloppo's revenge!
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11.20.2016, 04:42 AM	#7742
h8kurdt invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In Mulder's Basement room Posts: 5,459	Conte says hi __________________ Down with this sort of thing.
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11.20.2016, 07:41 AM	#7743
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Yep, them too.
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11.20.2016, 09:30 AM	#7744
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	ah, conte is smarter than kloppo also dresses waaaay better except for that "arthritis" bracelet. so maybe i'm wrong.
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11.20.2016, 09:46 AM	#7745
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Chelsea play in about an hour's time. They've been looking excellent this past few weeks.
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11.20.2016, 09:51 AM	#7746
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	oh i dont have access to nbc sports... will have to wait for the CL i guess
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11.21.2016, 09:40 PM	#7747
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	So Klinsmann's finally sacked. Any word on his likely replacement?
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11.22.2016, 01:18 AM	#7748
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	and finally THE GREAT BRUCE ARENA RETURNS
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11.22.2016, 08:40 AM	#7749
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	Yeah, probably the best choice in the middle of a qualifying campaign. God knows where Klinsmann goes now, though. There was some talk of him taking over the England but that's thankfully died down now. Possible move to the MLS? Although I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves football altogether, and becomes some kind of new age guru, or something. I fucking hate that bloke.
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11.22.2016, 09:12 AM	#7750
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	hahaha new age guru yeah im disappointed by the constant rollercoaster, but i dont know much about his personal life he's a trained german baker though. maybe he'll take over walmart's bakeries and revolutionize the way america eats bread ha haha. damn, i would sure like that actually... but anyway at least he got us some great new players and i think he's made important contributions--arena should provide cohesion and sober management to the team on the pitch though.
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11.22.2016, 02:21 PM	#7751
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I always got the impression that he felt he was a bit too good for the job. He may have been, although I don't think he was, but either way, it's never good to project that attitude.
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11.22.2016, 03:17 PM	#7753
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I'd say Arena's pragmatism is always a better option for international football. Obviously there's Bielsa and what he did but you can't treat someone like him as a model. Hence his cult status. Maybe Klinsmann saw himself as a Bielsa-like figure, I certainly think those who appointed him did, but 9 times out of 10 that just doesn't work.
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11.22.2016, 03:22 PM	#7754
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	oh i just edited my post to add nuance (or not: "classic german arrogance" lol). maybe detail not nuance. i'd bring bielsa here to run the academies, not to manage the national team. part of what he did in chile is because the south american style is already based on passing and skill. so he added running and physicality and pressing to it (possible only after the era of malnutrition, smoking and alcoholism ended). but as long as american kids are taugh to kick & run they'll continue to be clumsy. clumsy doesn't win games. even a good counterattacking game requires high skill (e.g. griezmann's dribbling or pirlo's passes and of course defending) pulisic's croatian father took him back to germany when he was... 7? or something? anyway. yes. schooling does it.
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11.22.2016, 04:05 PM	#7755
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I agree about Bielsa being good for academies. I actually think Klinsmann might've been ok if he'd only dealt with that. But then the US's traditional reliance on colleges (rather than academies) for player development/recruitment poses its own unique problems - for football/soccer anyway. Although is that also the case for baseball? I know the NBA and NFL mainly recruits from universities, but what about MLB?
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11.22.2016, 04:29 PM	#7756
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	in recent years there have been some academies popping up including a national one. and i think more parents are starting to see futbol as a possible meal ticket for their kids rather than just a suburban game so here's to that. baseball has minor leagues as well as the majors, so that's where they scout for talent (as well as college, internationally etc). the international scouting is not a small thing-- lots of dominicans in the MLB. well i really don't know much about baseball, only the dominican thing. but yeah. baseball you can play till much older though. the thing with futbol is that it's such an abnormal human skill (using the feet not the hands) that if you don't get it very early you never get it. can't take a 17 year old derailed basketball player into a midfielder. arena was a lacrosse player though! ha ha.
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11.23.2016, 01:56 PM	#7757
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	damn, bayern losing a little russian .... jeezus almost a 4th goal. such awful defense gaps bayern. amazing surprise but why did the games start so early today? holy shit, rostov beats bayern 3-2 eye-popping. have to catch the rest of it
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11.23.2016, 02:00 PM	#7758
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	bayern had 71% possession but only 40% of goals ha ha ha ancelotti has to shake things up because he's keeping the same weaknesses that pep installed. boating awful today im looking at replays holy shit neuer wasn't there. but jeezus ma. i have to rewatch this. i mean watich it complete. WITLF Rostov!
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11.23.2016, 08:00 PM	#7759
demonrail666 invito al cielo Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 18,510	I don't know if it's the case in other leagues but I'm noticing some Prem teams are fielding very weakened sides this season in the CL, like they're really prioritising the league.
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11.23.2016, 08:12 PM	#7760
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,564	there was nothing weak about bayern except for the injuries (robben, martinez, neuer, i forget who else) and when neuer is gone you notice the flaws in the defense much more-- some of those goals neuer could have saved and badstuber was playing-- he is such a jinx i gotta watch the whole thing though-- semi-busy day with tomorrow's US holiday. i didn't get the whole thing with today's change of schedule-- caught the last 15 minutes plus post-match highlights-- damn, bayern looked vulnerable
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