Makes me sad... - Page 4

Lipslikewindows · 07.24.2006, 10:37 AM

Well, I will say this: listening to "Incinerate" on the sonic mixtape right now and it does sound rather invigorated, like they really love what they're doing, and that's fairly rare in music.

spiritbears · 07.24.2006, 12:35 PM

The problem with RR is not that it isn't good....it is that it is just too safe....tooo pop....too main stream.....same problem with them playing stadium shows with that other stupid band..... its nirvana all over again....
which sucks because T and co. are so much more interesting and brilliant...why go down this road? If they are doing this to "pay for coco's college" .....i don't know....call it what you willl.....i think its selling out.

Rob Instigator · 07.24.2006, 12:47 PM

I don;t think you know what selling out is if you think that sonic youth releasing a record as melodic and rockin as RR is selling out man.

selling out is compromising your stated values for purely monetary gain. now, what monetary gain are sonic youth getting? what gain at all? they will sell around 100 thousand copies of this album, far less than dirty or goo. they have not released an MTV worthy video and are not on the BUZZ rotation. they have not plastered themselves all over the airwaves. You are lucky if you hear a song off of RR on the college radio.

fucking grow up. for sonic youth, an album like RR IS experimentation. don;t you get it? after 20 years thurston started writing songs based on an acoustic guitar (murray street) after TWENTY YEARS.
to continue in the same standard songwriting form that they perfected over 20 years is pointless for aband like sonic yotuh who treat their existance as an art project and not a BAND.

you have no fucking clue what selling out is.

finding nobody · 07.24.2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I don;t think you know what selling out is if you think that sonic youth releasing a record as melodic and rockin as RR is selling out man.

selling out is compromising your stated values for purely monetary gain. now, what monetary gain are sonic youth getting? what gain at all? they will sell around 100 thousand copies of this album, far less than dirty or goo. they have not released an MTV worthy video and are not on the BUZZ rotation. they have not plastered themselves all over the airwaves. You are lucky if you hear a song off of RR on the college radio.

fucking grow up. for sonic youth, an album like RR IS experimentation. don;t you get it? after 20 years thurston started writing songs based on an acoustic guitar (murray street) after TWENTY YEARS.
to continue in the same standard songwriting form that they perfected over 20 years is pointless for aband like sonic yotuh who treat their existance as an art project and not a BAND.

you have no fucking clue what selling out is.

yes.

Lipslikewindows · 07.24.2006, 01:05 PM

So would it be experimentation if they started writing BAD songs too? "Well, we've never written bad songs before...this is experimental!". If this is what Thurston comes up with on an acoustic, that's probably part of why they didn't do it much. I'm not saying they can't come up with good stuff anymore. SYR6 was good stuff. Granted, pure noise. If they had taken the pop of Rather Ripped and the experimental nature of SYR6, maybe it would be better. But just because you've never written your songs on an acoustic guitar before doesn't mean you're experimenting. And again, I'm not even saying they have to experiment, or be noisy. My friend makes a good argument that they haven't been very experimental at all on their proper albums since EVOL (I disagree, but that's not the point).

And whether or not they're selling out, I'm not interested in, to be honest.

Cantankerous · 07.24.2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I don;t think you know what selling out is if you think that sonic youth releasing a record as melodic and rockin as RR is selling out man.

selling out is compromising your stated values for purely monetary gain. now, what monetary gain are sonic youth getting? what gain at all? they will sell around 100 thousand copies of this album, far less than dirty or goo. they have not released an MTV worthy video and are not on the BUZZ rotation. they have not plastered themselves all over the airwaves. You are lucky if you hear a song off of RR on the college radio.

fucking grow up. for sonic youth, an album like RR IS experimentation. don;t you get it? after 20 years thurston started writing songs based on an acoustic guitar (murray street) after TWENTY YEARS.
to continue in the same standard songwriting form that they perfected over 20 years is pointless for aband like sonic yotuh who treat their existance as an art project and not a BAND.

you have no fucking clue what selling out is.

I have the right to my goddamn opinion.

Rob Instigator · 07.24.2006, 01:23 PM

and you have the right to be wrong too and to be corrected, but I was talking to spiritbears, not you cantankerino.

Cantankerous · 07.24.2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

and you ahve the right to be wrong too and to be corrected.

I do not like Rather Ripped.

finding nobody · 07.24.2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous

I do not like Rather Ripped.

i thought you did?

Rob Instigator · 07.24.2006, 01:28 PM

for an artist to do anything new, to try something they ahve never tried before, that is experimentation, flat out.

for thuston to do something as anachronistic to him as picking up an acoustic guitar and making a tune, that is experimentation. it fyou do not enhjoy the results that is fine and you ahvea right to that opnion but don't speak out your ass and call them sell-outs.

Cantankerous · 07.24.2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by finding nobody

i thought you did?

After listening to it more and more I decided that it was complete tripe. Again.

PS, Rob - It's not anachronistic (wrong time period, out of place in time) to play the acoustic guitar.

Rob Instigator · 07.24.2006, 01:46 PM

you are right my long-lost love, anachronistic is used erroneously up there by me.

it is against his character, or what we have sonically come to know as his musical character, to pick up an acoustic guitar and write songs on an acoustic guitar, hence, it is an experiment on his part.

spiritbears · 07.24.2006, 05:06 PM

touch a nerve there rob??? no...this melodic shit is not experimentation...they have been pulling this shit for the last couple of albums..... I like RR...but it is pretty much fluff...not much of substance....
tell me again that playing sold out stadium shows is not "selling out".....

Asim · 07.24.2006, 09:12 PM

Rather Ripped is one of their best albums, I don't like this Sonic Youth lite but RR is just better than everything they did in the 90's and three-four albums they did ranging from Bad Moon Rising to Sonic Nurse. They need to make more records.

The band ends once Kim can't pick up her bass.

Lipslikewindows · 07.24.2006, 10:19 PM

Yeah, and what is the deal with Kim not picking up guitars much live these days? She always had a few songs she only sang on live, but it seems to be getting out of control. Arthritis or something?

Lipslikewindows · 07.24.2006, 10:30 PM

Nevermind, found out: chronic tendonitis.

k-krack · 07.24.2006, 10:51 PM

why do so many people apparently hate NYCG&F?!?! I just bought it and have listened thru it a few times and i find it awesome! the only thing i don't like about it is kim's little bit in Lightnin'... it sounds like really corny poetry... that isn't all that poetic.

cracker69 · 07.25.2006, 12:14 AM

NYCG&F is a fabulous record, k-krack. I love "Small Flowers Crack Concrete " and William S. Burroughs aura floating around it.

http://jake-weird.blogspot.com

spiritbears · 07.25.2006, 01:06 AM

NYCGF beats the shit out of RR....but evol rules all....

Asim · 07.25.2006, 01:29 AM

DDN > EVOL > CIS > Murray Street = Sister > Rather Ripped > A Thousand Leaves > Washing Machine> BMR > Goo > Jet Set > Sonic Nurse> NYCGF > Dirty

I haven't heard much of Dirty or Jet Set, and I could defintley hear more Washing Machine. And Murray Street is either equal or better than Sister, but I like Sister a lot. Murray Street just blew my mind.

And NYCGF was awful, guys.

07.24.2006, 10:37 AM	#61
Lipslikewindows bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 163	Well, I will say this: listening to "Incinerate" on the sonic mixtape right now and it does sound rather invigorated, like they really love what they're doing, and that's fairly rare in music.
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07.24.2006, 12:35 PM	#62
spiritbears bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tucson Posts: 166	The problem with RR is not that it isn't good....it is that it is just too safe....tooo pop....too main stream.....same problem with them playing stadium shows with that other stupid band..... its nirvana all over again.... which sucks because T and co. are so much more interesting and brilliant...why go down this road? If they are doing this to "pay for coco's college" .....i don't know....call it what you willl.....i think its selling out. __________________ Usviituuyaaquten-qaa?
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07.24.2006, 12:47 PM	#63
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,975	I don;t think you know what selling out is if you think that sonic youth releasing a record as melodic and rockin as RR is selling out man. selling out is compromising your stated values for purely monetary gain. now, what monetary gain are sonic youth getting? what gain at all? they will sell around 100 thousand copies of this album, far less than dirty or goo. they have not released an MTV worthy video and are not on the BUZZ rotation. they have not plastered themselves all over the airwaves. You are lucky if you hear a song off of RR on the college radio. fucking grow up. for sonic youth, an album like RR IS experimentation. don;t you get it? after 20 years thurston started writing songs based on an acoustic guitar (murray street) after TWENTY YEARS. to continue in the same standard songwriting form that they perfected over 20 years is pointless for aband like sonic yotuh who treat their existance as an art project and not a BAND. you have no fucking clue what selling out is. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.24.2006, 01:05 PM	#65
Lipslikewindows bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 163	So would it be experimentation if they started writing BAD songs too? "Well, we've never written bad songs before...this is experimental!". If this is what Thurston comes up with on an acoustic, that's probably part of why they didn't do it much. I'm not saying they can't come up with good stuff anymore. SYR6 was good stuff. Granted, pure noise. If they had taken the pop of Rather Ripped and the experimental nature of SYR6, maybe it would be better. But just because you've never written your songs on an acoustic guitar before doesn't mean you're experimenting. And again, I'm not even saying they have to experiment, or be noisy. My friend makes a good argument that they haven't been very experimental at all on their proper albums since EVOL (I disagree, but that's not the point). And whether or not they're selling out, I'm not interested in, to be honest.
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07.24.2006, 01:23 PM	#67
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,975	and you have the right to be wrong too and to be corrected, but I was talking to spiritbears, not you cantankerino. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.24.2006, 01:28 PM	#70
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,975	for an artist to do anything new, to try something they ahve never tried before, that is experimentation, flat out. for thuston to do something as anachronistic to him as picking up an acoustic guitar and making a tune, that is experimentation. it fyou do not enhjoy the results that is fine and you ahvea right to that opnion but don't speak out your ass and call them sell-outs. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.24.2006, 01:46 PM	#72
Rob Instigator invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the land of the Instigator Posts: 27,975	you are right my long-lost love, anachronistic is used erroneously up there by me. it is against his character, or what we have sonically come to know as his musical character, to pick up an acoustic guitar and write songs on an acoustic guitar, hence, it is an experiment on his part. __________________ RXTT's Intellectual Journey - my new blog where I talk about all the books I read.
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07.24.2006, 05:06 PM	#73
spiritbears bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tucson Posts: 166	touch a nerve there rob??? no...this melodic shit is not experimentation...they have been pulling this shit for the last couple of albums..... I like RR...but it is pretty much fluff...not much of substance.... tell me again that playing sold out stadium shows is not "selling out"..... __________________ Usviituuyaaquten-qaa?
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07.24.2006, 09:12 PM	#74
Asim little trouble girl Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51	Rather Ripped is one of their best albums, I don't like this Sonic Youth lite but RR is just better than everything they did in the 90's and three-four albums they did ranging from Bad Moon Rising to Sonic Nurse. They need to make more records. The band ends once Kim can't pick up her bass.
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07.24.2006, 10:19 PM	#75
Lipslikewindows bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 163	Yeah, and what is the deal with Kim not picking up guitars much live these days? She always had a few songs she only sang on live, but it seems to be getting out of control. Arthritis or something?
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07.24.2006, 10:30 PM	#76
Lipslikewindows bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 163	Nevermind, found out: chronic tendonitis.
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07.24.2006, 10:51 PM	#77
k-krack invito al cielo Join Date: May 2006 Location: On Posts: 7,380	why do so many people apparently hate NYCG&F?!?! I just bought it and have listened thru it a few times and i find it awesome! the only thing i don't like about it is kim's little bit in Lightnin'... it sounds like really corny poetry... that isn't all that poetic. __________________ sandwich klub 4 men. Danny is a C.H.U.D.
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07.25.2006, 12:14 AM	#78
cracker69 empty page Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Weirdland Posts: 4	NYCG&F is a fabulous record, k-krack. I love "Small Flowers Crack Concrete " and William S. Burroughs aura floating around it. http://jake-weird.blogspot.com
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07.25.2006, 01:06 AM	#79
spiritbears bad moon rising Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tucson Posts: 166	NYCGF beats the shit out of RR....but evol rules all.... __________________ Usviituuyaaquten-qaa?
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07.25.2006, 01:29 AM	#80
Asim little trouble girl Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51	DDN > EVOL > CIS > Murray Street = Sister > Rather Ripped > A Thousand Leaves > Washing Machine> BMR > Goo > Jet Set > Sonic Nurse> NYCGF > Dirty I haven't heard much of Dirty or Jet Set, and I could defintley hear more Washing Machine. And Murray Street is either equal or better than Sister, but I like Sister a lot. Murray Street just blew my mind. And NYCGF was awful, guys.
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