[SynthethicalY]

That's more like it.

[krastian]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Statistically. Totally depends on your area of study.
If you are business or science or Komputors, you are fine. If you are in the Humanities, Arts and the like, you are only slightly better off in my experience.
For example, to work as a librarian in my city, one needs a Master's in library science and 5 years' experience to make the exact same wage I make now (without any student loan debt to pay off and having been able to buy my own house). That is just one example. The vast majority of my friends have degrees, and we all make basically the same amount of income. My wife has less education than I do and makes several dollars more per hour.
The people I know who have done very well financially are ALL shadetree computer tech types, and if they have degrees they are not degrees in computer science.

Where you workin' now, Clone?

[Cantankerous]

my day was good. took the kiddies here:
http://www.citymuseum.org/

[Norma J]

Whose 'kiddies'?

[Cantankerous]

Originally Posted by Norma J

Whose 'kiddies'?

my boyfriend's nieces (they're his sister's kids)
i'm regularly presented with the task of watching them, and i figured since the older two are on spring break i'd take them somewhere fun.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

I had some savings and went to a cheap school. I wasn't referring to my personal situation.
I was speaking in the general sense regarding debt, as most college-bound folks seem to incur quite the mountain of debt in the present climate.
Yes, statistically the odds are in your favor with the degree; all I am saying is that there are nuances within that statistical construct and nothing is guaranteed.

oh oh... wait a second, i thought of this. i assure you i'm not trying to be a total pain in the ass.

but see, after you left college, you had no debt and bought a house.

now, if you had stayed, you would still have no debt, and you would still have bought a house, but you'd have a college degree also.

now, i don't know if you would have been able to use that degree, but generally speaking there are more advantageous employment opportunities for people with a degree-- even on a temporary basis.

and to contrast your particular friend with the mfa who works at a coffee shop, i have a friend with an mfa-- in poetry no less-- who is doing great. she used to be my TA in college. she's published a couple of books, enjoys a tenured position in a liberal arts college, has been a state poet laureate, lectures, travels, and makes quite a decent living while pursuing what she likes, with all the perks of a tenured position, including sabbatical years of course.

now there are also people with advanced degrees working as permanent adjuncts-- people who get paid by the course. they will be forever fucked. for various logistical reasons i was set to be one of them, and so i quit & started working on my own. however, the MA has opened quite a few doors, and i can assure you my grad school experience didn't go to waste. even if i don't directly use my studies today, having to teach for several years was quite a formative experience.

anyway, i certainly do not believe that college is for everyone, and a lot of people would be better served by a trade or technical school, but for those who can put it to good use, having some sort of degree is a lot better than having none. statistically, sure. but i do like my chances.

[something]

i just got off of work. i love my job but it really is starting to destroy my soul.

[schizophrenicroom]

where do you work?

[!@#$%!]

he works in phoenix.

[something]

i work at a barnes and noble in the music dept

[SynthethicalY]

That's cool, I would like to work in a bookstore.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SynthethicalY

That's cool, I would like to work in a bookstore.

don't kid yourself, retail work sucks, especially if it's for a corporate entity like b&n.

sorry man-- hope you find something else soon.

[something]

its alright except for the fact the we are such corporate whores the staff in music doesnt get to pick what we play we get sent cds from corporate hq and have to choose between mostly crap right now our playlist is patty griffin,celtic woman,norah jones,dave koz and kelly sweet

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by something

its alright except for the fact the we are such corporate whores the staff in music doesnt get to pick what we play we get sent cds from corporate hq and have to choose between mostly crap right now our playlist is patty griffin,celtic woman,norah jones,dave koz and kelly sweet

see what i was saying? you can call me "prophet" now

[something]

i might move in with my best friend and his wife and get a job at an independent music store

[SynthethicalY]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

don't kid yourself, retail work sucks, especially if it's for a corporate entity like b&n.

sorry man-- hope you find something else soon.

Yeah I know what you mean, Costco sucks.

[something]

yeaa corporations do suck but there are a few good things about b and n like we have a movie section called the criterion collection and its a bunch of avant garde and "arty " films i dig that part

[something]

sweet i am no longer a little trouble girl

[SynthethicalY]

So, do you get hassled by parent's with trite questions. Such as "what kind of music will my kid like?"

[something]

yeaa when they do that i suggest either gangsta rap or something like captain beefheart