[pbradley]

Originally Posted by phoenix

I wasn't sure why you were denying the importance of the hispanic population of the americas in the foundation of present date US..

Apart from the Mexican–American War, hispanics played very little role in the foundation of the United States of America.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by phoenix

This would be a super idea.

Since the US government feels the need to consistantly provide excessive input to other political states agendas and budget.

Half of the US doesnt vote anyway, so its not like y'all give a shit about losing yr vote to someone else..


It is highly likely many foreign citizens have a better grasp on US foreign policy than US citizens do

It is highly likely many foreign citizens have a better grasp on US policy than US citizens do

 

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Yup. Also, in this day in age, whatever powers may be finally have the tools for complete control that they always wanted.. The types of technology that has been coming out in the past couple of years, especially regarding things like the patriot act (phone tapping convinced by exploiting fear) and the tracking chips they are putting in babies if the parent so chooses (exploiting the fear of kidnapping and knowing where your child is). There is a silent war being waged, and they are using wars like Iraq and economics as a distraction....

countries enemies and financial problems come and go....but imprisonment under the veil of freedom is becoming an act that doesn't seem so ludacris and unstoppable or sci-fi anymore....

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by phoenix

at least we agree on something

And so do a large number of the U.S. population.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Apart from the Mexican–American War, hispanics played very little role in the foundation of the United States of America.

what? that is grossly absurd!

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

what? that is grossly absurd!

Kind of waiting for your reasons why...

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Apart from the Mexican–American War, hispanics played very little role in the foundation of the United States of America.

...


Im going to just leave this thread be now because I've had my hour dose of debate and I do really need some breakfast..

Im not sure what to say to that though.

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Kind of waiting for your reasons why...

land, labour, culture

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by phoenix

land, labour, culture

Those came later with the expansion of the United States of America across the continent, mostly through the annexation of Spanish territories to the United States during the Mexican-American War. While they did help shaped later U.S. culture, economic strength, and other factors, they weren't apart of the United States at its founding.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by phoenix

Corruption happens. It's only a problem if people do not make themselves heard that they dislike it.

you mistake my point, I'm not referring to a localized corruption but a system-wide glitch either purposely not addressed or set-up to fail, when you have these new fangled machines flipping votes one way or another, or skillfully set up to mystify the user, its not within a normal range of error and default...and how are people going to make themselves heard when the fascists run the media, like say in NYC where bully bloomberg just changed the law(?) so he can now run/buy/threaten a 3rd term, gee I remember the media elites denounced Chavez when HE changed term limits that in Caracas, but everyone is afraid to criticize fascist bloomie because, never mind that he owns huge media, but he's also the mayor and bloomie showed his colors when he had mass arrests at the RNC simply for demonstrating but I digress...

[pbradley]

 

Notice the first acquisitions of Spanish territories decades after the Declaration of Independence, Revolutionary War, and ratification of the United States Constitution.

the american government isn't actually all that greatly influential on the world's political/economic events. certainly not by itself alone.

and in any case, why is it that americans who talk about politics on the internet (hello tesla69) never come across as if they know what is going on around them?

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

Originally Posted by davenotdead

no.

sayin'

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pbradley

 

Notice the first acquisitions of Spanish territories decades after the Declaration of Independence, Revolutionary War, and ratification of the United States Constitution.

umm, so California, Texas, New Mexico and Colorodo are not significant to the founding of the United States?

[DeadDiscoDildo]

^^It took years to get out that far...well after our country was 'founded'.

so, yes.

[pbradley]

No, they aren't. The United States of America was founded before their inclusion. They are significant to the expansion of the United States of America. In fact, Texas was a sovereign nation independent of the U.S. and Mexico for ten years and similarly California was also an independent Republic though only for less than a month before being included.

The United States of America was not founded with 50 states nor can the realization of the Manifest Destiny be included in the "founding" of the nation.

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by pbradley

 

Notice the first acquisitions of Spanish territories decades after the Declaration of Independence, Revolutionary War, and ratification of the United States Constitution.

so before this, absolutely no native americans were affected whatsoever. And shortly after this, everyone lived happily ever after, all hispanic and native americans were fairly compensated for all labour and land rights, and it was all merry and wonderful, entirely thanks to white americans?

what a pile of poo.

can play semantics all you like but my point was more the very large role the hispanic population has played in the entire evolution of what is present date US.. not what happened on the day the delcaration of independence was signed.

[pbradley]

Not all Native Americans are Hispanic. Native Americans played a critical role in the founding of the U.S.A.

And I never gave any qualitative comments on the expansion of the United States of America.

And you said "started," not evolution. That's not mere semantics, that is a complete distortion of the history of the United States of America.

[Alex's Trip]

Zoot Suit Riots anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots