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I still think the defining moment for anyone is the second they stop listening to music around other people and start listening to music alone. Regardless of the genre or calibre, how you arrive at that place and the effect you get from it will generally define the kind of listener you are.
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You're no square, Bytor. You may be a family man with a good job, but you never turned your back on your true interests because "it was time to leave all that behind." People who "used to buy records" or "used to go out and see bands" make me the saddest. Stagnation is the sign of true squaredom, and viewing a continued fostering or growth of aesthetic interests (especially if some of those are shared with younger people and their activities) as somehow "juvenile" or something you give up when one reaches a certain age says more than anything about someone's level of squareness. Jobs/families/mortgages are not signs of squareness. Don D. of Borbetomagus is an insurance agent with his own branch in Nyack NY, but he is no square. |
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I have also been too hard on Starcat, who seems like someone who will continue to be "youthfully curious" long after youth is gone.
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I would say jazz is cooler to those that need a lot of history in the music that they listen to. Those that appreciate research, and watching things evolve and take shape. Not that this can't be seen in black metal, it can...just not as much to pull from. That said, I can totally see why black metal might mean more to those that prefer something a bit more obviously dark and raunchy. Not that jazz is never dark or raunchy, it just often times requires a bit more of the listener to pick up on said vibes. All music has it's place. Thurston's done the weirdo free jazz thing...I'm curious to hear what he does w/ black metal. It's clearly an approach that means something to him. All music has it's place. I mean, does it make me less cool that I occasionally enjoy listening to old Aerosmith records? I mean, despite the bullshit they've become, once upon a time they were a decent straight ahead rock n roll band. Nothing special, just fun riffage that makes sense when driving home from work or being bored sitting around eating candy background noise. Does it make me less punk rock if I sometimes listen to Black Flag right after Aerosmith? Most would say yes. How cool would I be if I cared? Music is music...despite genre or era or how certain outcast sorts identify with certain approaches to it. If it makes people want to do things...like, inspiring some kid to pick up and paintbrush or a guitar or get out of bed and face a day he'd rather not deal with...whatever...I'd say it's valid.
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But isn't trying to pin down the definitive moment when other people discover how much they enjoy music an indication that you, perhaps, are ''too influenced'' by what you're meant to listen to in relation to them? Maybe it's just me. |
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I haven't listened to music around other people in years, I don't socialise regularly with anyone who likes the types of music that I listen to.
Or maybe that does define the type of listener I am: I am a listener who listens to music that no-one else he knows listens to. PS - Hello, Genteel Death. |
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Perhaps, although i dont see why that should neccessarily be so, and Im certainly not offended by the insinuation like I might have been a few years ago. It kind of implies that you yourself are pure and free of any societal influences when you experience art and music, you may be a bit Aspergers like that, I dont know, but not feeling a connection with some kind of wider culture/politics when you listen to music sounds a bit Thatcherite if you ask me.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with nostalgia. Looking back on one's roots, tracing their own musical journey, can be fun. At least it is for me. Reality is, Nirvana serves little purpose for me these days (sans the fact that I still think they were a killer band), but I'll spend sometimes a week or two out of the year working my way through their catalog/remembering a time + place where music was sort of this new exciting thing for me. Something I felt that I could identify with and would separate my own taste from that of my parents.
I'm not opposed to new music as far as present stuff is concerned, and there are some newer bands I enjoy...that said, discovering something new more often than not means something old I've never came across. Looking back and finding hidden treasures is just something I happen to find enjoyable, and in NO WAY different than those diggin' on some new band that began two or three years ago. Just way too much shit out there right now. Everyone wants to be and can be in a band. It get's overwhelming.
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that's true. above all things thurston is a musician, and it's nothing wrong to try others challenges. a musician with a open mind it's a better musician |
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How Thurston Moore Will Contribute to Black Metal Supergroup Twilight
Though it came as a surprise when black metal supergroup Twilight announced that Sonic Youth’s Thurston Moore would be joining them on their next record, the decision wasn’t spontaneous. Founding group member Blake Judd tells Hive, “We actually talked to him two years ago about getting him involved in the last record [2009’s Monument to Time End] and that came together so last minute that it wasn’t going to work out, time-wise.” Now that they have the time, Twilight — with a lineup of Judd, Atlas Moth’s Stavros Giannopoulos, Sanford Parker, Leviathan’s Jef Whitehead, Krieg’s Neil Jameson and Moore — are heading into the studio this August to work on a currently untitled full-length. “We try to do something new or bring someone new in for every record,” Judd said. “Twilight is always going to throw a curveball at you.” Hive caught up with Judd to discuss what the next album might become, touched on the aesthetic of the album, and their future plans to perform live. Have all of you guys been in the same room yet? No we have not. How have you been communicating? Through email and telephone. We start recording in a few days [and] we’re doing it in two sessions. The first session is just the very core of the band, which is Neil [Jameson] from Krieg, Jef [Whitehead] from Leviathan, and myself, with Stavros and Sanford there helping us out. The five of us are going to write the majority of the record and record it and make some rough mixes of it. Those tracks won’t be completely finished — it will be a skeleton of of the record — and we’re going to send them on to Thurston [Moore], who will have time to get familiar with them and, for the stuff he’ll be writing, it will give him an idea of where we’re coming from. He can base what he’s doing off of that and try to preserve the aesthetic and overall vibe that we’ve created. We’ll all have a few weeks to work on those and then we’ll come back into the studio at the end of August and that’s when Thurston comes into town and, from there, we’ll be finishing the tracks that we started and also recording the songs that Thurston will be bringing to the table. Do you already have a good idea of what the aesthetic and vibe will be? The album will be a little more black metal than the last one [Monument to Time End] was. We’re going back to our roots and we’re going to keep it primarily black metal, but — with me and Thurston and Sanford being involved — I think no matter how hard we try to do that, it’s still going to come out sounding very different just because we all have such broad taste in music. It should be a thing of its own and that’s the key goal. Is Thurston really into black metal? From what I know, he’s a huge fan. Decibel Magazine ran a feature about Thurston being a massive black metal fan, so that’s where we got the idea from to get him involved. We realized he was into it and we have a direct connection to Sonic Youth, through our soundman Jeremy [Lemos], so we were able to reach them very easily and Thurston was immediately responsive in a positive way from the get-go. He mentioned that he’d be very interested in working together with us in the future, so it’s just manifesting itself a couple years later. We’re all such big Sonic Youth fans, it’s a real blessing to have Thurston come in and be a part of this. Would you guys ever do a black metal reworking of Sonic Youth songs? It hasn’t been discussed, but that would be really neat and I’d certainly welcome the idea of doing that. Down the road, will you all be touring together? As of right now, the only live performances we’ve discussed are limited to Roadburn Festival next year and one show in the United States, which would be in either Chicago or New York, and happen before the festival. Geographically, it’s very inconvenient for us to get together to rehearse, considering that we have people in this band that live from San Francisco to New York and everywhere in between. We do understand that there is a demand for a live performance but a tour will never happen with this band. Plus, Twilight has always been a studio project. Interview from mtvhive.com |
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And your posts are like a sluggish and unrelenting river of bitter, bitter diarrhea, so what? If psychoanalysing and abusing people on the internet is how you get your kicks then please do, Im always happy to help care in the community cases like yourself if it keeps you from taking your "transgressive" personality into the real world where, yknow, you might actually risk something. I might not be able to save Tibet, but at least I can save you.
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I edited this for precision - his language is much too passive. NS = National Socialist. This is why I hate so called black metal along with the fact that it all sounds exactly the same. So I guess he has the same opinion if you replace "NS" with "Child rapist" or "wife beater" or whatever depraved smallminded bully shit the depraved "artists'" come up with. He has no morals or ethics at all. People think they are edgy or something listening to their "black metal", its a fucking nostalgia trip folks, death metal/black metal was done to death 20 years ago. Judd does not want to offend his customer base.
Nazi's are fucking religious filth that should be wiped off the map. I don't understand Thurston's interest in this genre - maybe he is not quite the progressive we thought. Usually I don't bug him at shows but this is something I would actually like to hear from him. Why, T, why? Quote:
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I'm not sure why this is something questionable, he clearly states that he has no interest in that scene.
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I think art and idelogies of the artists should be separated. Captain Beefheart was a real bastard as a person, but I love his music. I don´t understand why I should have stopped listening him after I read what´s he´s done to his bandmates.
Of course Thurston´s interest to Black metal came to suprise to me, I hadn´t heard it. I just heard Twilight a bit and it didn´t sound as bad as I thought. I think it is always great when artist break his limits, but of course artists don´t always succeed in it. |
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