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jesus espoused a wholesale abandonment of organized religion.
he was killed for this. The Bible (Biblia) means a "collection of books." This collection of books was put together as we now know it, around 1000 years after Jesus was said to have lived. There are over 80 MILLION American citizens who believe that their common english translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of old translations of Hebrew and Gnostic texts are an unimpeachable and incontrovertible word for word statement of FACT. these people make me sick.
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how? how does spirituality exist without animus, or a soul or some sort of supernatural "state of existance?" spirituality without belief in a soul or a god or gods is not spirituality. it is pure superstition, which is stupid as fuck too.
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you dont need to post pictures of Scientists to explain reasoning. Look at Pavlovs Dog. If you train a dog to expect food when a bell is rung it will salivate; this is basic reasoning. When you then ring a bell and present no food the dog will still salivate, expecting food, but only up to a point. Soon it learns again that the bell no longer precludes the food, and it treats the bell as just another sound.
This is what science is; you learn on the basis of how often something occurs. If one instance precludes another enough you will take that as a fact. It all depends where you set your own personal threshold. Religious people have learned to set their threshold extremely high. Unattainable even, because nothing is 100%. But science says that if 95 times out of 100 it happens then it is predictive. Religion just asks that you believe in the unnatainable, for its own reasons.
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to give them MONEY
there is only one true god and that is Mammon. they know this.
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I believe I remember this posting this research in the Science thread: http://www.science-spirit.org/archiv...php?new_id=305 I'm not trying to undermine Relativity, it's the best thing we have going, but I wouldn't say it is beyond being doubtable. |
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Oh, this same old gobbledegook yet again.
The "marriage" you write of will never happen, pbradley. Subatomic particles are too small and move too quickly for us ever to be able to get a handle on them. So the problem isn't in Einstein, it is merely beyond human capability to prove relativity correct in high energy particle physics. I really cannot understand the abject ignorance on this matter. We have seen a transformation in our modern world as a direct result of relativity. The best scientists have been trying to work out HEP since the forties, and have come up with little. There will never be a TOE (theory of Everything), there will never be a GUT (Grand Unification Theory). On a side note, humans will never be successfully cloned. "It is the duty of humans to understand that there are some things we will never understand, and that this is not a concession, but a category, an expression of the ontological definition of the relationship between a cognitive spirit and eternal truth." - Soren Kierkegaard Quantum Electrodynamics is predictive becuase relativity doesn't break down in QED. Relativity is 100% predictive, and perfectly and elegantly correct. Quote:
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You may not believe in the soul (I'm not convinced of it's existence either) but surely you believe that the mind exists. The mind desires spirituality. The mind not in body but of body requires spirituality, as well. Have you never gone to a requiem and not felt the weight? |
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any "weight" felt is symptomatic of the human brain, the single most complex thing on our planet. we feel things. we see things, we experience transcendence, IN OUR HEADS. I do not believe that the "mind" exists as a separate wholesale entity from the physical brain. people with brain lesions and brain trauma lose just as much of their "mind' as they do their "brain"
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All Kierkegaard states is that it is our duty to understand that some things cannot and will never be proven. It isn't Kierkegaard's position that nothing can ever be proven...far from it.
To prove God with 100% certainty eliminates the meaning of existence itself. Einstein pretty much did prove God (and Pascal to an extent before him), but then there's this Quantum Mechanics thing. Look at how the world has changed since relativity. It can never happen, but just imagine what would occur if a Grand Unification Theory did come along that was 100% correct. I know what would occur: the rapid extinction of humans. I mean, Jeez, we can't even handle the truth of relativity. Please stop quoting me. I'm getting away from the computer for a bit. |
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First of all, your unconscious/subconscious already does know everything.
But, just like the fact that there will never be a Theory of Everything, our conscious minds can never know this information. It is impossible. If it were, it would make life meaningless anyway. One communicates with God in dreams, and to an extent, in silent meditation. Dreams work out all the stimuli we are unable to process with our conscious minds. In dreams, our minds are repairing themselves. We are beings living our lives in a dimension we call time. In eternity, there is no time. This is why one cannot ask the question "who created God?" and expect any answer. God is not of time, God is eternity. We are humans who live in time but who briefly glimpse eternity and the immeasurable knowledge of the unconscious when we dream or, to an extent, when we meditate silently. The Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy elegantly states that matter cannot be created or destroyed, but merely changes from one form into another. That sums up eternity right there and also accounts for the changes we observe in the dimension we call time. |
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I'm calling doubt to your claim that Relativity is undoubtable, nothing more. I'm not disagreeing with your claim that the conscious mind is limited and I don't know why you think I am. But I'm willing to rest this if you have something else you need to do.
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what everyone who is out to prove or disprove a deity or a soul forgets is that the whole basis of all religions is that they are dependent upon BELIEF. this "belief" is the acceptance that something/someone exists without any proof whatsoever, and with no proof ever forthcoming.
that is FAITH/BELIEF Due to this it is impossible to refute religion or spirituality. That makes it the most succesful con game ever pulled on humanity humans as we know it are less than 200 thousand years old. That is not enough time to totally eradicate the purely animalistic aspects of our brains. religion and spirituality are a byproduct of our immensely capable and self-aware minds trying to grasp "feelings/emotions" that make us think there is something greater than ourselves. there is not. it is all just human words and concepts used to describe emotions and fears left over from our million years as savannah dwelling primates.
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again, Belief and Scientific fact are on the same continuum of information. It depends on how potent you need the information to be for you to call it true and believe it, and whether you believe the information to be cumulative OR to what extent that one piece of information (which is what religion depends on) overrides all other information
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Gee, Rob, I'm reading your posts, but it seems you insist on not considering mine. Any idiot can debate religion. I'm not an idiot, so I'm not wasting my time. As one can infer, my only concern is to attempt to have an intelligent discussion concerning the existence of God. And again, I'm getting up from the computer, so please stop quoting me. Quote:
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