[fugazifan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson

[Rob Instigator]

I fucking hate them and their ass faces (to quote from Waiting for Guffman)

[terriblecanyons]

Wait... Beck is a scientologist?!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Alex's Trip]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

I have hated him since the first sighting and just found out he was a sxcientologist cultist brainwashed idiot two days ago.

his music is funk for rednecks who live in suburbs and do not realize they are rednecks.

You spend too much energy hating people. I don't understand it.

you can waste just as much energy loving everyone, it just isn't as fun.

[Alex's Trip]

Originally Posted by vegans4veal

you can waste just as much energy loving everyone, it just isn't as fun.

Haha, good one.

I dislike and hate plenty of people that I actually know and have better reason to dislike. Hating Beck or any celebrity, to me, is so pointless.

[Rob Instigator]

Hate is not the opposite of love. hate is love spurned, or love derailed, or love re-imagined after witnessing that which you love sink to lowlevel loser pulchritude.

the opposite of love is INDIFFERENCE

at least with HATE you care

hahahah!


I do not spend too much time hating! I hate what I hate when I feel like hating it. I love what I love when I feel like loving it.

to everything turn turn turn

there is a season turn turn turn

and a time to kill Beck sloppily, while he sleeps.....

Scientologists are beyond hate to me. thy are actively to be destroyed, brought down, and wiped from the collective unconscious of our mass consciousness. LIKE NAZIS

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Alex's Trip

I dislike and hate plenty of people that I actually know and have better reason to dislike. Hating Beck or any celebrity, to me, is so pointless.

Using that logic then loving any celebrity is also equally pointless.
so loving sonic youth is pointless as well.

if love has merit then hate has merit and any other emotion one may feel towards a musician or a celebrity.

[Sonic Youth 37]

Originally Posted by terriblecanyons

Wait... Beck is a scientologist?!


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

yeah, he's been one since he was a child or something. Says his father has been one for 35 years. So, he's not a recent convert.

[laserbeard]

how is believing in Scientology any more fucked than believing in Christianity?
sure, it's a ridiculous story that couldn't possibly be true, but so's the fucking bible. and at least Scientologists haven't had any Crusades/Witch Hunts/Wars on Iraq.
if celebrities wanna believe in freaky shit, who cares.
it's not like they're threatening you, and even if they were, you couldn't afford to be a Scientologist, because them shits is expensive.

also, it's not like Beck is "spreading the seeds of Scientology". he doesn't even bring it up. at all. it doesn't make a difference musically. he could be a baptist, muslim, unitarian, whatever. it doesn't make a fucking difference in the end. so chill.

[pbradley]

I'm not around enough hollywood types to give a shit about them either way. From what I've looked into the organization, it is suspicious and L. Ron Hubbard comes across as less than bright and an even worse science fiction author.

Now if Frank Herbert made a religion....

[Alex's Trip]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Using that logic then loving any celebrity is also equally pointless.
so loving sonic youth is pointless as well.

if love has merit then hate has merit and any other emotion one may feel towards a musician or a celebrity.

Well if you think love and hate are equal in that sense...but like you said, they aren't opposites. They're completely different. I don't enjoy hating celebrities if I have no reason to hate them. I can dislike their work, but to hate the celebrity is pointless. Loving musicians and actors isn't the same as hating them. I have something to enjoy out of those bands, I have movies to watch. To me, it is either love or indifference with music and actors. But I still don't understand going out of your way to hate. That is why it is indifference for me.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by laserbeard

how is believing in Scientology any more fucked than believing in Christianity?
sure, it's a ridiculous story that couldn't possibly be true, but so's the fucking bible. and at least Scientologists haven't had any Crusades/Witch Hunts/Wars on Iraq.
if celebrities wanna believe in freaky shit, who cares.
it's not like they're threatening you, and even if they were, you couldn't afford to be a Scientologist, because them shits is expensive.

my loathing for Beck's music stands alone, and is in no way connected to my loathing of the "church" of Scientology.

you really think the scientologists have not KILLED anyone? Have not kidnapped hundreds if not thousands of their "followers?" forcing them to give up their money in exchange for advancement in their "system?"

READ MORE and you would not amke such blanket statements.
the bible is a collection of history, fable, paternity, songs, letters, books, etc. it is much much more than just a textbook to believe in. scientology sells it's wisdom, sells it's knowledge. anyone can get and read a bible. there is no comparison.

and yes, I am anti-theist in any and every respect, but scientology does not even qualify as a religion, and it gets benefits that should be curtailed.

[gualbert]

You don't even like Mellow Gold??
I think it's good.

Originally Posted by laserbeard

how is believing in Scientology any more fucked than believing in Christianity?
sure, it's a ridiculous story that couldn't possibly be true, but so's the fucking bible. and at least Scientologists haven't had any Crusades/Witch Hunts/Wars on Iraq.
if celebrities wanna believe in freaky shit, who cares.
it's not like they're threatening you, and even if they were, you couldn't afford to be a Scientologist, because them shits is expensive.

ahem...

most other major religions, whether you like it or not (and i don't really like it...) have cultural significance, they have also played, in my humble opinion, an important role in human evolution (although now it's reached it's pinnacle, one could argue religion has started to do the opposite.

scientology is fifty or so year old cult that's best achievement was the largest infiltration of the us government in history, something that could be seen as cool if it were a gang of punks doing it, but no it was to purge anything unfavourable about them or their leader. what did they have to hide?

scientology is also different in that it makes it's members pay. oh, i'm sure you'll come back and tell me that catholic churches do too, but there is a huge difference between my mum throwing a few pennies in a plate every week to mend the church's leaking roof, and paying large sums of money to find out what it is exactly that you believe.

the bible isn't ridiculous for the most part. jesus says some pretty neat shit in some parts, and in the end you realise that he was just a pretty cool guy who got whacked off and who's message got bastardised. i could probably learn some stuff from him, but i prefer to be hateful and evil most of the time.

also, the iraq war had nothing, nothing to do with christianity.


i should add that i do not believe in god at all, it won't seem that way though.

[Alex's Trip]

Originally Posted by vegans4veal

Jesus was just a pretty cool guy who got whacked off

I have some reading to do...

in retrospect 'whacked off' wasn't the best phrase to use, however it makes reading the new testament seem like a much more interesting ordeal.

[Alex's Trip]

It made my day a little more enjoyable, so I say good on you.

you know what, one book in the bible is actually pretty cool. ecclesiastes; which is in my mind the roots of existentialism.

"Meaningless! Meaningless!"
says the Teacher.
"Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless." What does man gain from all his labor
at which he toils under the sun?
Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which one can say,
"Look! This is something new"?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
There is no remembrance of men of old,
and even those who are yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow."

it goes on and on and i haven't read it in full, but it seems suprisingly dark.

[Rob Instigator]

that is why many religions actually KEEP their foloowers from reading the bible. that way they can cherry-pick the parts that their congregation nis exposed to

even to the current day the roman catholic church does it's best to keep people in south america, asia, and africa from READING the bible, they want to spoon feed it to them.