[knox]

Originally Posted by Glice

I'll admit it's better when I'm freestyling on the mean streets.

lets be nice to each other GD.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

that's right.

who here has an ipod? an iphone? who bought music in the past 24 hours? who has shit made in sweatshops? who wants MORE?

raise your dirty little hands.

oh yeah, i smell your hundreds of now-open armpits all the way here.

No, that's the stink of your defeatist slave mentality. It works up quite a sweat.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by knox

lets be nice to each other GD.

Shit fam, you know how I roll.

[knox]

Originally Posted by pbradley

No, that's the stink of your defeatist slave mentality. It works up quite a sweat.

you haven't answered his questions.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Glice

Shit fam, you know how I roll.

maybe you should call me and insult me on my voicemail so i can use it for inspiration

[Glice]

I'm having an early night. You wait until I've had a few to drink though. You just wait. Cunt-towel.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by knox

you haven't answered his questions.

You haven't answered them, yourself.

Perhaps it may be because I can recognize when questions are rhetorical.

[knox]

I have an I-pod. I love it.

I can barely wait, Glice.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by knox

From that logic, they wouldn't have allowed the Internet to reach us, considering how many industries it could potentially harm: the music, film, publishing, educational etc.

but we wanted it, and once we want it and we're willing to pay for it, someone will do it, they have no choice.

There's a strong argument made by Zizek that the internet, and all that it represents, might prove to be one thing that capitalism's logic ultimately won't be able to reconcile itself with. He argues that if capitalism is moving further away from traditional ideas of industry into more fluid, less tangible, knowledge based sources, then the internet - and the entire digital realm that it represents, while doing wonders in generating enormous quantities of information, will eventually frustrate capitalism (in Zizek's view terminally) through it's underlying (and I suspect ultimately irreversible) principle of free exchange. Whether the Left will be able to step in with a more viable system during capitalism's predicted crisis is, of course, up to the Left itself.

[knox]

it'll work as long as there's something to sell and somewhere to advertise.

[Rob Instigator]

the internet works without needing to sell or advertise anything.

companeis have made it the status quo that advertising is needed but it is not.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

sorry Rob, you lost me with "the US constitution was actually designed.."

ask these kind folks about the US Constitution and its authors intentions..

 

 

All that rhetoric really helped out these folks didn't

perhaps we should begin to make our own arguments, rather than trust the judgment of those unfortunate bastards who wrote pure hypocrisy.

you need to re-read the constitution.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by pbradley

No, that's the stink of your defeatist slave mentality. It works up quite a sweat.

ha ha haaaa! i snorted.

Originally Posted by pbradley

You haven't answered them, yourself.

Perhaps it may be because I can recognize when questions are rhetorical.

no, not really-- i meant it. people from rich countries spew all manner of sanctimonious leftist dogma at the same time that their consumerism creates the very inequalities they decry-- then their armies go sweep up the mess. half of this board is into fashion (sweatshop central), another half is into their various electronic gadgets which require rare minerals from warn-torn africa, & so on & so forth, consumerism in one hand and a "down with the man" banner in the other.

people buy something and they are "congratulated" instead of receiving condolences on their newly acquired burdens. there's even a thread here where people tell "what they bough today." whatever...

personally, i'm actually trying to consume less & use less shit every day. not because i'm a hippie, but because owning too much crap is uncomfortable. but i did originally come to amerikkka to partake of the feast-- ha! even though i'm against it. what can i say. i'd rather not be killed.

anyway, check this out, it's funny:

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008...-corporations/

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

well capitalism was designed with the explicit purpose of extracting wealth from the lower levels of society and taking it to the top, which isn't a very just way of making an economy.

wait, wasn't feudalism doing that before there was capitalism? i'm pretty sure those castles weren't built by the lords that ruled them.

when have you ever had a society in which the powerful do not draw their power from the less powerful?

kings, emperors, warlords, aristocrats, apparatchiks-- draining the blood of slaves, indentured servants, vassals, commoners, citizens-- time and again societies organize themselves as pyramids. we're hierarchical beasts as far as our DNA is concerned (it's mostly DNA, rather than social programming, that builds the brain).

i'm not saying i support exploitation, but it looks like it's always going to be there-- of course, it's fun to decapitate aristocrats, but that only lasts for so long. there's always a new elite to supplant it. i guess if we keep killing them eventually they will thin out. good luck there.

[knox]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

the internet works without needing to sell or advertise anything.

companeis have made it the status quo that advertising is needed but it is not.

the internet is a significant vehicle for advertising as well.

let's not forget that website developing, hosting, blah blah, still costs a lot and companies are willing to spend a lot because it is a great investment in terms of publicity.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

There's a strong argument made by Zizek that the internet, and all that it represents, might prove to be one thing that capitalism's logic ultimately won't be able to reconcile itself with. He argues that if capitalism is moving further away from traditional ideas of industry into more fluid, less tangible, knowledge based sources, then the internet - and the entire digital realm that it represents, while doing wonders in generating enormous quantities of information, will eventually frustrate capitalism (in Zizek's view terminally) through it's underlying (and I suspect ultimately irreversible) principle of free exchange. Whether the Left will be able to step in with a more viable system during capitalism's predicted crisis is, of course, up to the Left itself.

So...he's saying that because information is becoming more free and more accessible so will cars, food, electronics, paper, houses, minerals, service at restaurants, public transport, energy etc? Have I misunderstood?

How is capitalism "moving further away from traditional ideas of industry into more fluid, less tangible, knowledge based sources,"? What does this even mean?

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Lurker

How is capitalism "moving further away from traditional ideas of industry into more fluid, less tangible, knowledge based sources,"? What does this even mean?

well for example the move from an economy based largely on industry and the production of tangible goods to an economy based on thinks like derivatives and "wealth" that only exists on statments or screens

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

There's a strong argument made by Zizek that the internet, and all that it represents, might prove to be one thing that capitalism's logic ultimately won't be able to reconcile itself with. He argues that if capitalism is moving further away from traditional ideas of industry into more fluid, less tangible, knowledge based sources, then the internet - and the entire digital realm that it represents, while doing wonders in generating enormous quantities of information, will eventually frustrate capitalism (in Zizek's view terminally) through it's underlying (and I suspect ultimately irreversible) principle of free exchange. Whether the Left will be able to step in with a more viable system during capitalism's predicted crisis is, of course, up to the Left itself.

this is what i sort of think. i remember in about 1996 reading interviews with chuck d and he was saying that the internet was going to bring about the collapse of the music industry and i thought he was totally off his rocker, but lo and behold...

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

this is what i sort of think. i remember in about 1996 reading interviews with chuck d and he was saying that the internet was going to bring about the collapse of the music industry and i thought he was totally off his rocker, but lo and behold...

...he was

http://medialoper.com/how-the-music-...ofits-in-2008/

[Genteel Death]

Down wid da kids.

[DeadDiscoDildo]

Originally Posted by phoenix

people are not quite intelligent enough on the whole for any form of democratic politics to ever work, long term.

capitolism will probably fund the extremely small % in an elite private sector, who will pay for scientific left types to get them the fuck off of this planet, or safely away from the dying panicing masses. elite private sector will then rule a fascist regieme over lowly science nerds, until perhaps they decide to use their brains to rid themselves of the ecconomic elites(and guilt) that enabled them to escape the horrifying fate of the rest of the population.

honestly.

Do me, do me right now.