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Old 08.15.2007, 02:55 PM   #821
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why is a concert pianist labelled as "talented" by the fierce majority of listeners for accurately following sheets of music that have been played in the same way for 300 years, .
pure and simple ignorance on yr part my friend, and I do not mean that as an insult, just as a statement of your lack of knowledge on this musical issue.

If you were to hear 20 recordings of beethoven's Violin concerto you would hear 20 different interpretations of the sheet music you assume they all follow by rote.
A concert violinist that can play this music as if it was just written, bringing vibrancy and showing nuances that others had not explored is something to be treasured, and is most aassuredly BRILLIANT and TALENTED.

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Old 08.15.2007, 04:43 PM   #822
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Old 08.15.2007, 04:57 PM   #823
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Old 08.15.2007, 05:07 PM   #824
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pure and simple ignorance on yr part my friend, and I do not mean that as an insult, just as a statement of your lack of knowledge on this musical issue.

If you were to hear 20 recordings of beethoven's Violin concerto you would hear 20 different interpretations of the sheet music you assume they all follow by rote.
A concert violinist that can play this music as if it was just written, bringing vibrancy and showing nuances that others had not explored is something to be treasured, and is most aassuredly BRILLIANT and TALENTED.


Yeah, it's like reading a book written by a genius, re-typed painstakingly to the letter by someone a few hundred years down the line, who gets credit for a "brilliant re-interpratation" via underlining a word here or italicizing a sentence there.

A technical achievement, but yawn.
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Old 08.15.2007, 06:07 PM   #825
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Old 08.15.2007, 06:08 PM   #826
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pure and simple ignorance on yr part my friend, and I do not mean that as an insult, just as a statement of your lack of knowledge on this musical issue.

If you were to hear 20 recordings of beethoven's Violin concerto you would hear 20 different interpretations of the sheet music you assume they all follow by rote.
A concert violinist that can play this music as if it was just written, bringing vibrancy and showing nuances that others had not explored is something to be treasured, and is most aassuredly BRILLIANT and TALENTED.

oh come on, i wasn't at all saying that the hypothetical musician wasn't at all talented. i was raising a question, using those two analogies to demonstrate the confusion and dislike i have over the term "talent" when used by mainstream music literature and the listening public.

i wasn't relaying my personal opinions in the slightest. the vast majority of the listening public would call one musician talented and the other untalented. however, who are we to say which has a greater artistic value? that's all i was saying.

regarding classical music: to lend individual interpretation to a piece of music is obviously a skill that is hugely difficult to aquire, and takes a massive amount of sensitivity and creativity. this i agree with you on one hundred percent. i play the piano classically myself, and even if i don't do it very well, it really is the most wonderful aspect of playing.

p.s. when i said "following sheets of music that have been played in the same way for 300 years" i was regarding baroque piano/harpsichord music. it is actually almost impossible to perform a truly individual interpretation of most of the baroque keyboard works without actually altering the notes (something bach actually encouraged but which hardly anybody does). musicians have to inject personality with dynamics (which is impossible on a harpsichord) and these are dynamics which, for the most apart, are the dynamics widely encouraged and accepted by the scholarly institutions.
record labels, audiences and scholars obviously don't want to see their music slaughtered in this way so there is a limited creativity, which is on the opposite end of the spectrum of free improv. that is why i used the two examples.
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Old 08.15.2007, 06:11 PM   #827
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Old 08.15.2007, 06:40 PM   #828
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I'm not sure if it classifies as an unpopular opinion, but has anyone ever heard a so called muscian who's about to start to play some improv piece refering to their instrument as 'stuff'? I hate that. The 'stuff' in question is in most cases the rubbing of some paper or whatever against anything that amplifies its sound. That's not playing anything, that's just plain lack of musical skills.
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Old 08.15.2007, 09:44 PM   #829
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Old 08.15.2007, 09:50 PM   #830
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also i like a lot of "goth" music from the early-mid 80s ie bauhaus, siouxsie etc which is probably an unpopular opinion.
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Old 08.16.2007, 03:15 AM   #831
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also i like a lot of "goth" music from the early-mid 80s ie bauhaus, siouxsie etc which is probably an unpopular opinion.
bauhaus are awsome!

black flag 55% sucked.
other than damaged first four years, some of family man, semi my war, and a few other songs, most of their output with shite...
and the rollins band are one of the worst bands ever (imk not sure if thats unpopular or not)
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Old 08.16.2007, 05:31 AM   #832
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black flag 55% sucked.
other than damaged first four years, some of family man, semi my war, and a few other songs, most of their output with shite...
and the rollins band are one of the worst bands ever (imk not sure if thats unpopular or not)
I think 55% is being very generous. Pretty much everything after My War was garbage.
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Old 08.16.2007, 05:38 AM   #833
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i thought of another one: the who.
surely no one here likes the who.
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Old 08.16.2007, 05:43 AM   #834
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The Who were great. Jeff Beck era Yardbirds were great. I'm sure you can do better than that dear.
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Old 08.16.2007, 05:44 AM   #835
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I like some Who. My Generation is one of the best songs to sloppily cover. Back when I had the time to be in a band in high school we would cover it and exaggerate the stuttering to ridiculous ends. Another time we played a recording of the bass solo becuz we weren't talented enough. It got laughs.

I like The Who over The Rolling Stones if that helps in some way.
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I prefer Elvis films to any other music-related films, including Spinal Tap.

Spinal Tap was not as comically ridiculous as Metallica's Some Kind of Monster (is this contentious? I have no idea).
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Old 08.16.2007, 05:52 AM   #838
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I prefer Elvis films to any other music-related films, including Spinal Tap.

Spinal Tap was not as comically ridiculous as Metallica's Some Kind of Monster (is this contentious? I have no idea).

I was really disappointed by Spinal Tap, I didn't find it funny actually.
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i think some of the songs on Dinosaur Jr's green mind album are unnecessarily long.
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For an unpopular music opinion amongst Dinosaur Jr fans, I prefer Without A Sound over Where You Been.
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