[louder]

Originally Posted by Severian

I still don't see anything about TLOP being a mixtape but whatever, that's cool.

Yeah I guess it'll just go down as a Tidal exclusive "album" but whatever

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

Yeah I guess it'll just go down as a Tidal exclusive "album" but whatever

Can't say I understand any of that nonsense. I guess I just hold out hope that what seems like bullshit now may be looked back on as yet another game changing move later. But I am super irritated by the fact that I don't get to own this thing on vinyl or cd, making my collection forever incomplete.

I heard Kim "demanded" that Kanye go to therapy after that Mark Zuckerberg fiasco.

One explanation I can think of is that if Kanye really is in debt, and really is trying to get support from Zuckerberg (who's in with Google and the open source free-software movement), that saying his record would "never never be on Apple" might be some kind of weirdo attempt at proving loyalty. If he releases the thing physically, that pretty much means it has to be on iTunes. Maybe he's really $53 mill. in the hole??

Hate to say it but even though I fucking love TLOP and think it's turning into quite a fascinating debate in the media, I'd probably force his ass to go to counseling too. So good call Kim, you beautiful fool.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

I was about to hit him up with Gorgeous lyrics too. You beat me to it, Sev.

I swiped those lyrics from Google play because, y'know, I'm not typing all that shit. Same place I swiped the "Hold my Loquor" lyrics that p-greezy schooled me on.

Looking back I saw more than a few typos, only some of which I corrected. I'm sure now that pepper was right about Hold my Liquor, but Google is not to be trusted blindly.

[louder]

Hey, Sev was on the money again..

Kanye: "I'm not a rapper"
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/702606143135342594

[louder]

(I'm not gonna give him a pass for wack lyrics just because he claims not to be a rapper though.)

[noisereductions]

holy shit!

A$AP Mob w/ Danny Brown "Hella Hoes rmx"

https://youtu.be/nQpPDH6yLXM

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Kanye needs to go full Lee Harper and disappear from public life and release all his crap just before he dies

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I was throwing down and killing it today with The Infamous and MMM FOOD.

"rap snitches, tellin all day business"

Yes! Mm.. Food? Is one of my all time favorites. Def my favorite MF Doom album.

"Sit in the court and be their own star witness / do you see the perpetrator? Yeah I'm right here / fuck around get the whole label sent up for years"

Hah.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Kanye needs to go full Lee Harper and disappear from public life and release all his crap just before he dies

Harper Lee (rip)

And how about nah?

[Severian]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I accepted I was wrong cause i myself is notorious for misheard lyrics.
but maybe this wasn't the case.

No man, didn't you read Louder's follow up post? He thought your ass was wrong too, but he checked Genius (which is usually annotated and far more likely to be correct than google fucking play) and, while I was right about the Cheif Keef line ("I can't handle no liquor, but these bitches can't handle me") you were indeed correct about the Vernon intro ("I can hold my liquor, but this man can't handle his weed")

So, yeah. Wasn't being sarcastic when I said you schooled me.

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

I was throwing down and killing it today with The Infamous and MMM FOOD.

"rap snitches, tellin all day business"

Infamous is classicccccccc love that album

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by Severian

Yes! Mm.. Food? Is one of my all time favorites. Def my favorite MF Doom album.

"Sit in the court and be their own star witness / do you see the perpetrator? Yeah I'm right here / fuck around get the whole label sent up for years"

Hah.

wow really? I think MM Food is great. But damn, Take Me To Your Leader, Op Doomsday, the first VV album...

[noisereductions]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

holy shit!

A$AP Mob w/ Danny Brown "Hella Hoes rmx"

https://youtu.be/nQpPDH6yLXM

I think it's possible an A$AP Mob album is coming. They've been dropping new tracks every week for a while now.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by louder

(I'm not gonna give him a pass for wack lyrics just because he claims not to be a rapper though.)

Oh, come now louder. Kanye has *always* tempered his brilliance with stupidity. On Graduation, the same record that shot lyrics like sniper fire on "Good Morning" and "Can't Tell me Nothing" and "Everything I am", the dude not only used the word "Coldplay" as a lyric, but he rhymed it with.... fucking "Coldplay!".

Also, he says, "blah blah blah blah blah that's / how / the/fuck/you/sound/ you drunk and hot girl" ... Dumbs as hell! Dumber than shit! But I love that line. I don't know why. It's the delivery. It's funny. It's how I feel about hot drink girls when they talk at me.

All of his albums have a few songs, with the possible exception of LR, have not-so-subtlety stupid lyrics. Wack lyrics, if you will. I mean even MBDTF has its moments of "meh" ... though the album's perfect, as is Graduation, so I wouldn't have it any other way. (Ex. "Fuck SNL and the whole cast... I'm an asshole? You niggas got jokes") (hah. What. Why did he say that? The verse is strong, but that's an unhappy ending, and I don't even know what it means.)
(I could also do without the Austin Powers name drop in "Power"... I mean... come on brah)

Which makes me wonder, again, what exactly has changed here. You're vocal about how disappointed you are in the "wack album" with the "wack lyrics" but you like Real Friends, Feedback, NMPILA, Wolves, ULB and 30 Hours, and I'm pretty sure you must like FML because... it's like Yeezy meets Sonic Youth man.

Even if you don't dig FML you still like half of the "real" songs on the album.
It kinda seems like you're concentrating too much on the bad, and not at all on the good. Instead of calling it an "ok album" or a "half good" album, you're just saying it's bad.
Which is also why I'd love for you to do a track by track point counterpoint with me. Because you must really REALLY hate those other songs if they're causing you to forget about the parts of the record you dig and call the thing garbage.

I kinda thought we all knew that Kanye dropped lyrical turds on occasion. I certainly did. Sonic Youth had many lines that border on embarrassing. But rather than taking away from the overall experience of listening to SY, those moments actually offer, for me anyway, moments of comic relief. They're like the little imperfections in a great piece of art. They give it character and SY as a band is better with those moments than they would otherwise be.

Same goes for Kanye. For me anyway. But I'm definitely an overall content > lyrics kind of guy. I fall for how a song makes me feel. If it feels good, and the lyrics are dumb, then so be it.

I love that QOTSA song "Feel good hit of the summer." Lyrically, it's literally a recipe for failing every part of a drug test. But it's a great song.

Anyway... Just saying man. If rhyming Coldplay with Coldplay didn't phase you, and the French ass restaurant/damn croissants didn't phase you, and "R Kelly and the God of rap/shittin' on you/ holy crap" didn't phase you, then why are you hating on an album for its bad lyrics when you like so many of its key songs?

I'm sorry I'm not trying to troll. Save your reply for the pm and we'll put it in the article.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

wow really? I think MM Food is great. But damn, Take Me To Your Leader, Op Doomsday, the first VV album...

Hey I said favorite MF Doom album. King Geedorah and VV are under a different moniker, so I didn't think to include them (or Madvillainy or Monsta Island Czars or JJ DOOM..)

But yeah, honestly, I probably like it more than everything but the VV albums. I hated it at first, but it grew on me like crazy. Also, Doom did so much of the production himself and that's something I appreciate more than I can ever put into words. I love it when rappers handle as much of their shit as possible. I love Quasimoto's the Unseen, because that shit is all Madlib. I love Wu-Tang because half their appeal is in the production, and it was handled by memebers of the group. And of course I love Kanye.

I'll start flipping shit over Kendrick if he ever starts to produce his own shit. I just really respect that. I have nothing against rappers who bounce around to different producers and beat writers, but that's where I feel the line between rapper and full fledged artist lies. Deltron 3030 is named after Del tha Funky Homosapien, but Dan the Automator and Kid Koala are responsible for what makes the album great.

Sorry. Rant fest.

[noisereductions]

He did all the production on king geedorah too

I like MM Food - the good tracks are great. But that suite of skit tracks in the middle kills the momentum for me. It feels liek a solid EP that got padded out. I Feel the same about the second VV album.

OP Doomsday is way better begining to end in my opinion.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by noisereductions

He did all the production on king geedorah too

I like MM Food - the good tracks are great. But that suite of skit tracks in the middle kills the momentum for me. It feels liek a solid EP that got padded out. I Feel the same about the second VV album.

OP Doomsday is way better begining to end in my opinion.

I forgot about the skits. I guess I don't even really consider them skits, because there's still bears and samples throughout that old fucker's diatribe about eating healthy. It doesn't feel like a true skit in the old school 36 chambers sense, or in the showy, dumb as hell Eminem sense. It feels like a beat and sample track.

But I get where you're coming from. And yeah Take me to your Leader is a dope ass album. Like I said I was just thinking of MF Doom and Doom records proper when I said that. I actually haven't heard Mm.. Food? in a while, but it became an absolute staple for me when I first got into doom.

[louder]

The corny lines in older albums were classic because they were in moderation and Kanye's delivery and charm made them work. Anyway, I'll get into it more this weekend.

[Severian]

I get it bro. I almost deleted that post because I didn't want to be a dick, but after all that fucking writing, shoddy and rambling as it is, it would have been super depressing to just undo it.

[Severian]

Hey have you heard anything else about the Kendrick/J. Cole collaboration album?

I think that could be kinda off the hook. Been wondering about it a lot. But even though 2014 Forest Hills Dr. was a major step forward for Cole, the guy is still several levels below Kendrick in terms of both popularity and technical skill. I feel like the match-up of Drake and Future was illadvised as well. If the world wants another Watch The Throne, the only suitable combo would be Kendrick Lamar and (hate to say it) Drake.

Let J. Cole and Future battle it out in the JV leagues.