[Everyneurotic]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yes, we know, rites of spring, bla bla.

i have the same peeve about the misuse of the word "sarcasm"-- but language mutates on a social scale and here we are now.

it's just that most of it gets confused with goth and well goth...

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

people should determine language, not the other way around. language determining people=newspeak

newspeak is biologically and neurologically impossible. there is no such thing as newspeak in real life.

therefore there are no "shoulds". people determine language, period.

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i shouldn't, but i'm going back to bed.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

people should determine language, not the other way around. language determining people=newspeak

I disagree for this reason:

Wittgenstein: “The limits of my language mean the limits of my world”

It works both ways and what can expressed in one language may not be able to be expressed in the same way or at all in another.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Lurker

I disagree for this reason:

Wittgenstein: “The limits of my language mean the limits of my world”

It works both ways and what can expressed in one language may not be able to be expressed in the same way or at all in another.

but wittgenstein was wrong

there's always a way even if it takes 20 words

i guess that makes me a chomskian

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but wittgenstein was wrong

Good argument.

I'm ignorant anyway, never read an Wittgenstein, just happen to know that quote and have very vague idea of what were his ideas. Never read any Chomsky either.