[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by pepper_green

all these dickwad presidential candidates can eat it.

can't wait to push random buttons on a touch screen. any meeny miny moe larry curly.

Obama will be the last won I vote for. he was handed a plate of shit to turn into gold. the heath care thing still has kinks. it tells me that some doctors must not be getting paid like they should. they'll also penalize you. they know the percentage that didn't sign up. remember how hard it was to register that shit? hey, im all for it dough. he did a good job.

the best thing for me to do is live off the grid as long a possible. Bush fucked up the banks for everyone to get loans. that damn bailout that was necessary only applies for people who have money now. maybe it's why I can't cash a check at a bank without an account or give them my hard earned 10 dollars.

See this might be the most intelligent thing you've posted in years. More like this less like those

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Bro, i am surprised to see you diss the demonstrations outside. Trump didn't organize them but he definitely inspired them. Marching in the streets is as if not more potent a form of political speech and the political process as conventions, rallies, and elections. If Trump's supporters believe in their candidate the resistance will only further their resolve so it doesn't hurt him or them. What it DOES do is motivate, inspire, and rally the opposition to Trump.

You clearly didn't read what I said, I didn't say anything about the demonstrations outside, I clearly referred to disruption of meetings. You clearly avoid that whole subject.

I don't know if it was twitty organized or through fascibook but 100's of people showed inside the stadium with the intention of constantly disrupting the proceedings. Their goal was to deny Trump and any of his supporters their right to free assembly.

Do you allow its ok for the antiabortionists to disrupt any activity they feel so compelled about?

That is the politics of children. small children. Waaah!

Real political organizing involves person to person one-to-one interactions and not hashtag ME ME ME - real world politics revolves around economics because that is the engine of society and requires the structures of the State with 300+ million fucking people in the goddamn country and 7 billion little cancerous humanclots running around the globe?

I hate to tell you but marching in the streets doesn't impress anyone anymore, its basically treated like hosting a parade of criminals and used to test out the latest in surveillance and crowd control and probably rightfully so. That quality that makes distinct civilization from the jungle is probably thinner than a dollar bill these days...and it is not by accident

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by tesla69

You clearly didn't read what I said, I didn't say anything about the demonstrations outside, I clearly referred to disruption of meetings. You clearly avoid that whole subject.

I don't know if it was twitty organized or through fascibook but 100's of people showed inside the stadium with the intention of constantly disrupting the proceedings. Their goal was to deny Trump and any of his supporters their right to free assembly.

Do you allow its ok for the antiabortionists to disrupt any activity they feel so compelled about?

That is the politics of children. small children. Waaah!

Real political organizing involves person to person one-to-one interactions and not hashtag ME ME ME - real world politics revolves around economics because that is the engine of society and requires the structures of the State with 300+ million fucking people in the goddamn country and 7 billion little cancerous humanclots running around the globe?

I hate to tell you but marching in the streets doesn't impress anyone anymore, its basically treated like hosting a parade of criminals and used to test out the latest in surveillance and crowd control and probably rightfully so. That quality that makes distinct civilization from the jungle is probably thinner than a dollar bill these days...and it is not by accident

stop being a bitch yo. Fuck Trump and his racist rallies and if the local community feels strongly enough to shut it down so be it. The decline in civilization is how millions of people are being "polite" to Trump and his supporters meanwhile he keeps spouting hate speexh and inflammatory rhetoric. What did Trump expect exactly? Everyone to be reasonable. You're just a pretend revolutionary and probably closet conservative.

[tesla69]

I just listened to the last hour of Trump speaking at rally in Bloomington IL - the guy can go on and on - at least 5 disrupters during the speech - there was a level of surrealism when he horribly read a poem about the broken snake and the gentle woman - his plan includes getting Christmas back - No TPP - no Obamacare - at one point he brought up a nameless legal immigrant who spoke about how the MSM won't differentiate between the legal immigrants and illegal border crossers - "We rebuilt China, the greatest theft in history" - he is clearly speaking about not rewarding corporations for leaving the USA and enacting tariffs to level the playing field and this is why the transnational death corporations are lining up against him.

He also tellingly said he'd rather run against Clinton than Sanders - I don't think he can win against Sanders - but Clinton has so much baggage and there are things hanging over her head - Honduras and Syria for 2 - the US's foreign policy has basically allowed if not outright backed another killing field, this time in Honduras

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Trump is a crude beast and his supporters are savage brutes so they deserve the savage treatment. If you believe otherwise i find that hilarious.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

stop being a bitch yo. yo yo yo yo yo

wow, at the end of the day, you're just a name caller, too.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Trump is a crude beast and his supporters are savage brutes so they deserve the savage treatment. If you believe otherwise i find that hilarious.

Seriously, have you ever spoken to a Trump supporter? Or are you just making judgement based onthe selection presented to you on the msm? maybe you work with some loudmouth?

I'm sort of the school that says let these guys buy their own length of rope and hang themselves...I believe it is very healthy to have the even half witted excuse for public dialogue that is going on - but unfortunately the stalinist tendency to shout down and name call is very strong.

As for being a "closet conservative" I prefer "free thinker" When I was young, I was infected with this certain fire and we felt that all it is going to take is to tell people about this fire and they'll catch it too and we'll be in the soup. We called it taking 'taking personal responsibility'. Jello Biafra had part of the answer and to some extent I live that way when he simply suggested consuming as little as possible. Terence McKenna suggested each person only reproduce once, only one child, to save the environment, until we reached a stable population, perhaps served by robots, and chosen by natural selection and not oligarchical shit.

Trump had a weird moment when he started talking about 'the elites...they always talk about the elites..." he was trying to disrespect the media construction of 'elites' but it just kind of seemed like he was goofing on himself.

Look, the socialists approached us. I was an 18 year old corn dog from maine. The Youth Socialist Alliance would heavily recruit in the punk circles at my college (circa 1985) in NH. The CP was always trying to sell its newspaper at punk shows around Boston, especially around the Channel. We didn't know the YSA or SWA "movement" was a shell of the group it once was. I didn't really like their answers to my questions and refused to "join". They had a storefront in Boston which contained boxes on boxes and piles of theri booklets and pamphlets and handouts. We went down to volunteer but there wasn't really anything to do. I think I weasled out to go to Newberry Comics which had probably moved by that point out of the converted apartment it originally was. Maybe that was the night we saw Reagan Youth and the NYC Killdozer at The channel, NYC Killdozer were oddly also very heavy and monstrous but in a different way than the WI Killdozer, and the singer kept jabbing himself in the forehead with a phillips head screwdriver even after it was bleeding, like I think if he had found a soft spot he would not have hesitated to plunge the screwdriver right into the center of his brain, gone into a spasm, removed the screwdriver, and then gone on with the song...

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

"We rebuilt China, the greatest theft in history" - he is clearly speaking about not rewarding corporations for leaving the USA and enacting tariffs to level the playing field and this is why the transnational death corporations are lining up against him.

Dude Trump is the epitome of corporate slime, tax dodging, loophole finding, low lives. He is part of why every thing is outsourced. He is part of the problem and his party is where "free trade" came from! Or what, do you honestly believe even a single word that drops out of Trump's mouth?

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by tesla69

Seriously, have you ever spoken to a Trump supporter?

Fuck them don't need to. If they are stupid enough to support Trump they have already discredited themselves and franky so have you.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by tesla69

wow, at the end of the day, you're just a name caller, too.

Haha, in what universe can we even pretend to have a serious or adult conversation about Trump or his supporters? I didn't call you a name, i said don't be a bitch. Now if you want to act like a bitch then i will start calling out names, Lord knows I'm not shy.

[evollove]

This Ohioian was an inch away from voting for Trump. Pussied out and went for Bern.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by evollove

This Ohioian was an inch away from voting for Trump.

What in the world for?

[evollove]

Because some naive part of me thinks Americans aren't stupid enough to give him the win in November, but they might to Kasich or Rubio. Of course I hold out the possibility that I'm totally wrong.

[Rob Instigator]

government is NOT business.

[evollove]

Yeah, that drives me up the fucking wall. "If a company was run like Washington, it would be out of business!" Is that the sort of shit you're talking about?

[Drjohnrock]

Originally Posted by evollove

This Ohioian was an inch away from voting for Trump. Pussied out and went for Bern.

Originally, I was going to do the same thing, for the same strategic reasons. I figured Trump, barring assassination, would be the easiest Republican to beat in November, and that he would take down a lot of down ticket Republicans with him. But (1) the fuckhead is so evil I couldn't bring myself to do it, and (2) Even though I know a lot of it is media hype, and that the primaries bring out extremists, I'm starting to get concerned about the huge number of mindless sheep who have voted for the fuckhead.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by evollove

Because some naive part of me thinks Americans aren't stupid enough to give him the win in November, but they might to Kasich or Rubio. Of course I hold out the possibility that I'm totally wrong.

Good idea. So was it an open primary in Ohio?

[evollove]

Yes. Plus it's winner takes all. Some crazy shit'll go down today.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by evollove

Yeah, that drives me up the fucking wall. "If a company was run like Washington, it would be out of business!" Is that the sort of shit you're talking about?

yes

Business is only one aspect of what needs to be considered in governing, especially when ti comes to foreign policy, but the business of the USA is business. Our government has been co-opted by corporations for decades and decades.

[ilduclo]

what I'm hoping for is for Trump to get stiffed at the convention, go for a 3rd party run, split the asshole vote, and Demo for the easy win!