[Satan]

yeah that's why you're supposed to learn from your mistakes. (edit DAMNIT AMERIKANGOD)

how can you define a person? consistencies and patterns in their behavior but obviously it's subjective, two people could define the same person in completely different ways because everyone has their own perspective blah blah blah. you can't really define any one person but you can try. i don't mean to sound flippant but there's no point in even discussing it because the spectrum of what a person could be defined as or labelled is so broad.

[amerikangod]

What she said. Totally watch the last few episodes of 'Neon Genesis Evangelion' if you want this point driven home.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by amerikangod

Of course not, it's the only way to grow and move forward. If you don't learn from your mistakes (or choose not to acknowledge them at all) you just flounder, and that is weak.

I think I'm being caught up in the difference between emotional strength and strength of ability. Pardon.

[amerikangod]

Originally Posted by pbradley

I think I'm being caught up in the difference between emotional strength and strength of ability. Pardon.

It's also possible that I might not be defining my terms as clearly as I could be. I had a ton of whiskey earlier and now I'm drinking beer.

[pbradley]

It's kind of stupid on my part, though, because I've argued the same position as yours elsewhere on the internet in the past. Mostly in regard the fact that songs don't make me cry. I wonder why this isn't intuitive to me now. Perhaps the humbling unemployment that I am in now. That kind of shit fucks with your head after a while.

I need to reread me some Aristotle/Nietzsche, stat.

[alteredcourse]

Maybe it would be useful to give up on those old ideas?

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by alteredcourse

Maybe it would be useful to give up on those old ideas?

Being old doesn't make them wrong.

[alteredcourse]

Not at all, not at all.

What would happen if you didnt reread some aristotle/nietzsche at this point, what would you resort to?

[pbradley]

Are you insinuating that my desire to reread those philosophers is rooted in a dependency on their thought?

While I can understand someone assuming that, this is not why I would read them at this time. More often than not, I reread particular philosophies (that I am already familiar with) in order to return myself to the questions rather than the answers.

[kaitlynmazur]

i absolutely cant stand when people are rude, and only care about themselves and no one else exists to them. bothers the shit outta me.

[chicka]

Thanks much Glice...

Agree whole heartedly one the homeless. Many have issues of mental health of pyhsical handicaps that used live in state run hospital and then suddenly the government just threw them out in streets. Not all of them drunken drug addicts who brought it on themselves and even that is being classified as a diesease these days.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by pbradley

More often than not, I reread particular philosophies (that I am already familiar with) in order to return myself to the questions rather than the answers.

Exactly!

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

There are and will always be the crazies in ANY movement or cause who take things too far. The fact that people are constantly equating vocal feminists with being feminazis just proves how much work the women's movement needs to do. People continue to get that knee-jerk reaction when women come together and speak up. They think that it must be crazy radicalism.

I identify as a radical feminist (as in i believe in addressing root causes of gender inequalities, not just barbie doll imagery) and I'm sick of people confusing that w me wanting a matriarchy. I don't want a matriarchy, however I know that I have to continue to be loud and assertive in order to just be treated on an equal plane. .

I am radical as it gets, and I have no problem with radical feminists. I use the term feminazis not to refer to any active or radical feminist, but rather those one-issue based radical feminists who do not actually represent the interests or needs of women. Further, I think feminazis are racists in the sense that they only focus on woman's issues in the Western world, and in fact many of their ideas are not compatible with the needs of women in the developing world.

Specifically, I am referring to middle-class feminazis who bark and bark about abortion with blouted statistics, fallacy arguments and even fear tactics! Women need equality in the work place, increase in pay and benefits, remove the glass ceiling, better representation in the big business and political world, proper health care, good education for our (but in the US with single mothers primarily their) children, family issues etc etc. Last time i checked, abortion was already secured in america, its beating a dead dog. Woman GOT abortion, now shouldn't feminists (and those who are not feminazis are smart enough to know this ) focus on the things woman do not have and still need?

In cali last elections there were some abortion issues, Prop 4, which required adult notification (not a parent, just an adult) for an underage abortion (this is a SAFETY PRECAUTION). This required a potentially naive, intimidated or just nervous young girl who stumbles into a clinic to get an abortion to get counsel from a more responsible adult first. Any chemical/surgical dilation of the cervix is by definition a DANGEROUS and RISKY procedure for women's health. I work with highschool kids, NEVER FORGET that these are CHILDREN, and they make POOR and IRRESPONSIBLE decisions. When it comes to their safety and health, they NEED some HELP from adults, after all this is OUR responsibility as adults, to properly care for ALL the needs of our children. I may not have a vagina as glice was talking about, but I still understand health. Dilating the cervix, even under the sterile conditions of the OR, increases the risk of harmful infections, the development of growths and polyps, and worst of all cancer! Further, MANY women complain of terrifying psychological trauma after an abortion. Essentially, I say that abortion is here to stay, but lets restrict it for safety to have a waiting period for everyone and adult consent for minors. This is a public health issue, not a civil rights issue.

Feminazis are overly politicized over single-issues, and they NEGLECT important issues both in the Western countries and the world in general! There are still MANY more things which RADICAL feminists NEED to do for the women of the world. Abortion is at the bottom of the chain.. and on a personal level, what a fucking crummy and low-life issue to make your cause.. I-man and I-sistren prefer to deal with positive, with life, with health, with development..

[gualbert]

I hate feminists, especially the male one.

[notyourfiend]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

I am radical as it gets, and I have no problem with radical feminists. I use the term feminazis not to refer to any active or radical feminist, but rather those one-issue based radical feminists who do not actually represent the interests or needs of women. Further, I think feminazis are racists in the sense that they only focus on woman's issues in the Western world, and in fact many of their ideas are not compatible with the needs of women in the developing world.

Specifically, I am referring to middle-class feminazis who bark and bark about abortion with blouted statistics, fallacy arguments and even fear tactics! Women need equality in the work place, increase in pay and benefits, remove the glass ceiling, better representation in the big business and political world, proper health care, good education for our (but in the US with single mothers primarily their) children, family issues etc etc. Last time i checked, abortion was already secured in america, its beating a dead dog. Woman GOT abortion, now shouldn't feminists (and those who are not feminazis are smart enough to know this ) focus on the things woman do not have and still need?

In cali last elections there were some abortion issues, Prop 4, which required adult notification (not a parent, just an adult) for an underage abortion (this is a SAFETY PRECAUTION). This required a potentially naive, intimidated or just nervous young girl who stumbles into a clinic to get an abortion to get counsel from a more responsible adult first. Any chemical/surgical dilation of the cervix is by definition a DANGEROUS and RISKY procedure for women's health. I work with highschool kids, NEVER FORGET that these are CHILDREN, and they make POOR and IRRESPONSIBLE decisions. When it comes to their safety and health, they NEED some HELP from adults, after all this is OUR responsibility as adults, to properly care for ALL the needs of our children. I may not have a vagina as glice was talking about, but I still understand health. Dilating the cervix, even under the sterile conditions of the OR, increases the risk of harmful infections, the development of growths and polyps, and worst of all cancer! Further, MANY women complain of terrifying psychological trauma after an abortion. Essentially, I say that abortion is here to stay, but lets restrict it for safety to have a waiting period for everyone and adult consent for minors. This is a public health issue, not a civil rights issue.

Feminazis are overly politicized over single-issues, and they NEGLECT important issues both in the Western countries and the world in general! There are still MANY more things which RADICAL feminists NEED to do for the women of the world. Abortion is at the bottom of the chain.. and on a personal level, what a fucking crummy and low-life issue to make your cause.. I-man and I-sistren prefer to deal with positive, with life, with health, with development..

I agree with what you wrote here about the dif between feminists and feminazis. Like you said, feminazis are closed minded and don't critically engage w/ the issues at hand.

However, it is also important to remember that abortion is not necessarily secured. It's legality is constantly at risk and it's important that people continue to advocate for it. I personally believe that abortion needs to be legal in all cases just in case. I don't think that it should necessarily be advocated but it is essential that it remains at option. What happens if a young girl is raped by her father and needs to get an abortion? Asking for parental consent might result in some extreme abuse. Unfortunately, cases like those are far too common.

[static-harmony]

I like how some people think that some girls should keep their fetus till it's born then give it for adoption in cases of rape.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by notyourfiend

I agree with what you wrote here about the dif between feminists and feminazis. Like you said, feminazis are closed minded and don't critically engage w/ the issues at hand.

However, it is also important to remember that abortion is not necessarily secured. It's legality is constantly at risk and it's important that people continue to advocate for it. I personally believe that abortion needs to be legal in all cases just in case. I don't think that it should necessarily be advocated but it is essential that it remains at option. What happens if a young girl is raped by her father and needs to get an abortion? Asking for parental consent might result in some extreme abuse. Unfortunately, cases like those are far too common.

As I said, the law was not parental consent, it was adult consent. it literally could have been someone off the street, but it had to be an adult, and an adult has a bit more sense in their head then a young girl, and if by your scenario, one who just endured a traumatic experience and is most definitely not in her 'right mind'

abortion is not threatened, its too hot an issue. it will be here to stay I assure you. when I say restrict, I am saying adult (not necessarily parental) consent for minors and a 48 waiting period for adults. ALL abortions are a SERIOUS surgical procedure and people should sleep on it.

but I this is not an abortion thread, I just happen to feel strongly about the issue. I do not feel it should be a right, but since people have made it one I am not for being the one to say take it away, however for public health there should be certain restrictions. For example you have the right to bear arms, but not necessarily under any and every circumstance, just like you have the right to free speech, but not to incite threats or slander, seen? Just because you have a fundamentally insured right, does not make it a completely unlimited right, and just because there are restrictions on a right for public health and safety (like gun control for example) does not invalidate or threaten the right in general.

[Satan]

it is appalling that anyone actually thinks that a woman should not have a right to choose to have an abortion if she gets pregnant and doesn't want the kid or can't take care of it. just like how the government thinks they can tell people what they can and can't put in their bodies. worry about your fucking self.

[alteredcourse]

Originally Posted by pbradley

Are you insinuating that my desire to reread those philosophers is rooted in a dependency on their thought?

While I can understand someone assuming that, this is not why I would read them at this time. More often than not, I reread particular philosophies (that I am already familiar with) in order to return myself to the questions rather than the answers.

Awesome!
I get stupid when I'm drunk. I think I thought I was actually making conversation.
Since you're the philosophy buff, I should ask you out of curiosity: is there anybody interesting out there right now that discusses current life, post-Nietzsche?

[Satan]

Originally Posted by Satan

it is appalling that anyone actually thinks that a woman should not have a right to choose to have an abortion if she gets pregnant and doesn't want the kid or can't take care of it. just like how the government thinks they can tell people what they can and can't put in their bodies. worry about your fucking self.

oh and this has nothing to do with gender but i wonder if men were the ones having babies (that pregnant dude doesn't count, that was a chick) if it would be the same way? because a lot of people's mentality is that women were made to have babies so "killing your baby" is some kind of cardinal sin, you are rejecting god's plan for you as a woman or whatever.
personally i don't believe in god but i used to and i didn't feel any differently about the issue back then. babies don't come from god, babies come from FUCKING which is your own damn fault and fortunately there are steps you can take to correct the mistake you made when you went without your raincoat and got knocked up. that's life, kids.