[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

my position here is that trump must not just be defeated, but thoroughly humiliated, so that never again another monster like him is allowed to rise-- and the despicables know once and for all that the country stands against racism, xenophobia, willful ignorance and many other things too long and sad to list over & over on a lazy sunday morning.

^ FUCK. YES.

This is it, summed up perfectly. As I said in my pms to you, SFAD, THIS is what I want to hear from the people I know and trust. Truthfully, it's a mindfuck that anyone would be able to conjure up any reason at all to disagree with this.

If you voted against H.W., or W. or McCain or Romney, I can't imagine why you'd even have to stop and think about wanting to drop Donald Trump and turn him into less than a footnote in history.

As I also said in my pms, keeping that psychopath out of office and stopping his influence may be be most important thing our generation is tasked with in our lifetime. That is, if he isn't stopped... if he DOES somehow win, we will never be able to unfuck ourselves. That's not hyperbole. Not this time. It's serious as death.

So you see the conversation isn't about how great Hillary is. It's about how terrifying this demagogue — this abomination, this sadistic fuck who represents the worst of the worst of America — is, and how completely and utterly he would bastardized the democratic republic you hold so dear. America wouldn't come back from Trump.

I think, simply put, for those of us who disagree with you, it's just not a passable argument that Hillary hasn't done enough to "inspire" you to vote. It may be perfectly reasonable from a political standpoint, but given the circumstances, it sounds a bit nutty. It's not personal -- this isn't about you and how much we like ganging up on you.** It's just (speaking for myself here) more than a little hard to grasp how you of all people would sit this one out.

** Seriously - Symbols and I have talked about the old "internet discussion gang-up" before, and it's not a good look. I promise you, nobody's high-firing anyone.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

nothing touched a nerve and i wasn't butthurt neither surprised. but if none of yall can see the problem in such rhetoric and methods in a political discourse well fuck it, it was your mama job too teach y'all good manners not mine.

like i said, my intention was to shift the discussion away from continued Trump bashing instead towards a productive and positive conversation about the GOOD things people want Hillary to do, not the bad things people are afraid Trump would do..

at this stage negative politics has run ots course. that kind of rhetoric fires up the base, sure, but i think the base of each party is already pretty well engaged. now its time to engage in the "undecided" and i feel that requiress emphasizing the positive not the negative.

y'all can bash me, make fun of me, insult me, whatevers, i am a grown man i ain't worried too much about y'all trolling. BUT such rhetoric certainly isn't going to convince anyone to vote for Hillary and if you all are as motivated to defeat Trump as you all claim then its in y'all best interest to build rather than put down

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

nothing touched a nerve and i wasn't butthurt neither surprised. but if none of yall can see the problem in such rhetoric and methods in a political discourse well fuck it, it was your mama job too teach y'all good manners not mine.

like i said, my intention was to shift the discussion away from continued Trump bashing instead towards a productive and positive conversation about the GOOD things people want Hillary to do, not the bad things people are afraid Trump would do..

at this stage negative politics has run ots course. that kind of rhetoric fires up the base, sure, but i think the base of each party is already pretty well engaged. now its time to engage in the "undecided" and i feel that requiress emphasizing the positive not the negative.

y'all can bash me, make fun of me, insult me, whatevers, i am a grown man i ain't worried too much about y'all trolling. BUT such rhetoric certainly isn't going to convince anyone to vote for Hillary and if you all are as motivated to defeat Trump as you all claim then its in y'all best interest to build rather than put down

[Severian]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

to think that there won't be another like Trump is naive. The next one will be more stealthy, but will still be appalling

Sure. Hopefully the next one doesn't sell mail order stakes, or talk about sexual harassment on public radio. Hopefully the next one is at he very least an educated legal and political scholar who just happens to be a nutty overzealous republican. Because those folks are easy to beat in both the polls and the court of public opinion.

It's the jackasses who talk like pro-wrestlers that are hard to kill. They inspire faith from ... well.. people who watch pro-wrestling.

Honestly we can blame ourselves for Trump. Not, like, WE, specifically, but the nation. Trump is a reaction to white america's feelings of impotence and frustration and behind led by a black man. He's taking that resentment, that racially charged impotence, and he's promising us a "Viagra" for it, do to speak.

We brought this on. Or, rather, about ½ the country did.

But saying there will be another Trump may be a bit on the nose. Here's never been anything quite like this before, though there have been Limbaughs and Nugents and McCarthys, but none of them have been presidential finalists.

It's more likely to happen again if we don't absolutely humiliate him -- rotten tomatoes and all -- like Slambang said. People need to learn their lesson, and it's not enough to simply keep him out of office. We have to drain him of any influence or power at all. When this is over, and he's pushing for a TV show on E!, we need to line up and pitcket. We need to boycott his very visage. Never click on another Trump story, refuse to make him a trending topic on social media. The world needs to look at him and think, "that's failure, and we almost put failure in the White House."

[Severian]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

nothing touched a nerve and i wasn't butthurt neither surprised. but if none of yall can see the problem in such rhetoric and methods in a political discourse well fuck it, it was your mama job too teach y'all good manners not mine.

like i said, my intention was to shift the discussion away from continued Trump bashing instead towards a productive and positive conversation about the GOOD things people want Hillary to do, not the bad things people are afraid Trump would do..

at this stage negative politics has run ots course. that kind of rhetoric fires up the base, sure, but i think the base of each party is already pretty well engaged. now its time to engage in the "undecided" and i feel that requiress emphasizing the positive not the negative.

y'all can bash me, make fun of me, insult me, whatevers, i am a grown man i ain't worried too much about y'all trolling. BUT such rhetoric certainly isn't going to convince anyone to vote for Hillary and if you all are as motivated to defeat Trump as you all claim then its in y'all best interest to build rather than put down

Again, I really don't think you're being bashed.

[PLips]

Go bash yourself

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

severian perhaps you should go back over and read the comments again.

it's not about me, but if y'all speak that way to other people about this election y'all wont make many allies for your cause

[The Soup Nazi]

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk

how Banana-Republic-like is it for the US to have a succession of Bushes and Clintons for president over thirty years?

Chelsea vs Billy Bush 2024!

 

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

Again, I really don't think you're being bashed.

well, evollove called him a baby with an empty bottle, and said that his vote wasn't his hymen, and suchfriends is neither a baby nor a young maiden so that's a bashing of sorts but not malicious.

insults aside they were accurate criticisms though. could they have been delivered without barbs? sure. would they have been as clear and/or hilarious without the insult? hell no. they were really good lines and had good imagery. they were illuminating and pointed at the ridiculousness of the opposing arguments.

i don't think there was anything wrong with that though. this claim of "manners" is a bit of BS, and disingenuous to boot-- suchfriends can put all the stupid memes he wants and dismiss all attempts at seriousness while thinking he's being good-mannered. i find that more infuriating that being told to go fuck myself, for example. respect is the basis of good manners, but the form that this respect takes is not universal and may cause confusion between subcultures/ social classes/ different individuals. i'd rather be told off via witticism than through dumbshittery. it's more respectable to have a smart adversary than a stupid one.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

my memes are rarely personal attacks, usually they are making fun of a situation or event more so than any individual here. and sure, i am not always on my best behaviour but go back and quote every personal attack i have made against you or anyone if you believe i am in error. also i am always the first to apologize including now if my memes have honestly offended people.

but like i said, this isn't about me, i am a big boy, my feelings are not hurt. but it doesn't make what y'all say any mre effective

[!@#$%!]

my applause of evollove wasn't for the insult itself but rather the accurate observation and witty delivery.

whether that will work on you or not is irrelevant-- i mean, i know nothing will be effective with you, so that's besides the point-- i applauded because it was effective for me. catharsis and good laughs.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

my applause of evollove wasn't for the insult itself but rather the accurate observation and witty delivery.

whether that will work on you or not is irrelevant-- i mean, i know nothing will be effective with you, so that's besides the point-- i applauded because it was effective for me. catharsis and good laughs.

sure but what if i represent some of the people who might vote if y'all had a positive rather than combative approach?

see y'all aren't listening to what i am trying to say. y'all wanna fight Trump, cool, but if you believe winning that fight is by electing Hillary then y'all need to focus on BUILDING for Hillary and tearing down people is the opposite.

y'all focused on me, cool, i got thick skin, but y'all instead should use it as an opportunity to practice what positive things you will say to convince some of those actual voters who so far are not committed to Hillary.

[!@#$%!]

be honest and don't play games though. you're not a good test case or a model for anything. you're a theocratic monarchist. i mean-- i'm not going to canvass the neighborhood looking for theocratic monarchists who haven't decided how to cast their vote in a democratic election. if i found one it would be more like: "hello sir/madam, have you decided how you will vote in this election?" "no, sorry, i'm waiting for the return of the king.""the what?" "the king. i only believe in the divine right of kings. that descend from jesus." "okay then, thanks very much, have a good day now". then i move on to the next door.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

well, evollove called him a baby with an empty bottle, and said that his vote wasn't his hymen, and suchfriends is neither a baby nor a young maiden so that's a bashing of sorts but not malicious.

insults aside they were accurate criticisms though. could they have been delivered without barbs? sure. would they have been as clear and/or hilarious without the insult? hell no. they were really good lines and had good imagery. they were illuminating and pointed at the ridiculousness of the opposing arguments.

i don't think there was anything wrong with that though. this claim of "manners" is a bit of BS, and disingenuous to boot-- suchfriends can put all the stupid memes he wants and dismiss all attempts at seriousness while thinking he's being good-mannered. i find that more infuriating that being told to go fuck myself, for example. respect is the basis of good manners, but the form that this respect takes is not universal and may cause confusion between subcultures/ social classes/ different individuals. i'd rather be told off via witticism than through dumbshittery. it's more respectable to have a smart adversary than a stupid one.

Well yes, evollove poked... but I don't see that as bashing or hateful or anything like that. More of like a, "Dude... come on" kind of thing.

And the hymen comment was perfect. I was searching for an analogy that would work, and didn't come up with anything half as on point as "hymen." It wasn't a burn of SFAD though. Just a response to the way SFAD had chosen to present himself. Maybe it was meant to be mean, I don't know.
but I don't think it was any less appropriate than all that "DUH DUH FAIL" and "you don't get it, do I need to explain?" nonsense.

Actually come to think of it, SFAD I call bullshit on all of this "manners" stuff.

You've been deliberately condescending, rude, and you've attempted to be hilarious with insults you've tossed out that may not feel like insults to you, but definitely come across as such. It's kind of bullshit for you to call foul when a few others say some things to you that border on the insulting, but manage to succeed in being hilarious.

I honestly do not want your feelings to be hurt here. Really. And I tried to mend things over PM. But for some reason this is still going on, and I think you need to be at least open to the fact that the responses you're getting from others are pretty much proportional to the things you're saying.

[The Soup Nazi]

Alright, sorry to poop on your philosophical party here with some actual goddamn numbers, but I just wanted to mention that this Democratic attempt to flip Arizona is a coin toss at best — carpetbomb Florida with your message instead and that's it, no Four Horsemen:

 

Look what happens when you give Florida, Virginia and Pennsylvania to HRC and ALL the other mentioned states to Drumpf:

 

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

be honest and don't play games though. you're not a good test case or a model for anything. you're a theocratic monarchist. i mean-- i'm not going to canvass the neighborhood looking for theocratic monarchists who haven't decided how to cast their vote in a democratic election. if i found one it would be more like: "hello sir/madam, have you decided how you will vote in this election?" "no, sorry, i'm waiting for the return of the king.""the what?" "the king. i only believe in the divine right of kings. that descend from jesus." "okay then, thanks very much, have a good day now". then i move on to the next door.

are you done or should we continue? i don't play games if in twelve years you ain't learned that you never will.
i mean really, if you are going to mock my religion because you disagree with my politics the only one playing games here is you. are you winning? does it fulfill you at the core of your being?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

are you done or should we continue? i don't play games if in twelve years you ain't learned that you never will.
i mean really, if you are going to mock my religion because you disagree with my politics the only one playing games here is you. are you winning? does it fulfill you at the core of your being?

come on dude, i'm not mocking anything. i'm just stating facts. you don't believe in the democratic process and you want a just, wise king. am i lying when i say this? if i am, please say so instead of feigning outrage and avoiding the issue. (feigning outrage to avoid the issue is playing games, btw)

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

yes, you are. indeed i don't recall mentioning Jesus or theocracy ONCE across this entire thread.
just stop. grow up. i have addressed the issue more than anyone, y'all just don't like the way i addressed it.

im not outraged at all, your or anyone's trolling doesn't have that power over me.BUT i also am not a bitch, am not bitch made, neither was raised by a bitch, so if y'all wanna talk some shit know this, i won't back down or be intimidated in any way.

i ain't intimidated by your knife of gun either so and what

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

yes, you are. indeed i don't recall mentioning Jesus or theocracy ONCE across this entire thread.
just stop. grow up. i have addressed the issue more than anyone, y'all just don't like the way i addressed it.

im not outraged at all, your or anyone's trolling doesn't have that power over me.BUT i also am not a bitch, am not bitch made, neither was raised by a bitch, so if y'all wanna talk some shit know this, i won't back down or be intimidated in any way.

i ain't intimidated by your knife of gun either so and what

what the fuck are you talking about knives and guns and bitches and nonsense? more outrage. see? games.

let's take religion out of the question, and just kindly reply: are you a monarchist or no?

just facts

i am a monarchist
[ ] true. [ ]false

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

what the fuck are you talking about knives and guns and bitches and nonsense? see? games.

let's take religion out of the question and just kindly reply: are you a monarchist or no?

(a) you brought Jesus into this
(b) even if i support monarchy did i mention it anywhere in this discussion over the past year?
you're deflecting and yes, playing games because you would rather try and discredit me than address the issues i raised directly.

whateverz.