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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

you call people names and then prefer not to be thought of as one of those people? silly.

call me an angry motherfucker if you want, call me something else that matches my behavior, but i don't fall into the same lot as the apathetic, the cynical, and the professionally jaded i'm supposedly "calling names" in my post.

other kinds of names are reserved for me--and if the shoe fits, i'll wear it. but it's apples vs. oranges.

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ps- i see flotzers calling it out correctly on the rage-- fuck yeah-- i have a short temper, and i'm not hiding that fact.

[pbradley]

Originally Posted by tesla69

We must make sure the Mossad have direct access to the president!

He's one of the least pushover Democrats around.

anyway, just because people don't share your political views it doesn't mean that they are suffering from any of the stuff you've listed. be a man and accept that.

[atari 2600]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

you call people names and then prefer not to be thought of as one of those people? silly.

Sarram, I perceive that you were replying because you thought you had this great superior point to make us aware of, but it comes off as just mean-spirited and well, sort of dumb.

There's a difference between outlining a particular case for those that rightly deserve to be designated as "apathetic" and simply immaturely "calling someone names." Seems to me that any sensitive, intelligent person knows that qualitative difference inherently.

Originally Posted by atari 2600

Sarram, I perceive that you were replying because you thought you had this great superior point to make us aware of, but it comes off as just mean-spirited and well, sort of dumb.

There's a difference between outlining a particular case for those that rightly deserve to be designated as "apathetic" and simply immaturely "calling someone names." Seems to me that any sensitive, intelligent person knows that qualitative difference inherently.

You're calling people names, therefore you fall into the category marked 'idiots'.

Seems to me that any sensitive, intelligent person knows that qualitative difference inherently.

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

anyway, just because people don't share your political views it doesn't mean that they are suffering from any of the stuff you've listed. be a man and accept that.

my accepting or rejecting an argument is not a matter of "manhood" but of it being a convincing argument, you pumpkinhead. be a man and accept that the burden of proof is on you.

i stand by my condemnation and contempt of cynics. with those who disagree passionately it's another story-- i may think suchfriends is a bit of a loon, but i don't think he's apathetic. he assumed i was speaking to him, i just didn't bother to reply. maybe i should.

anyway, regardless of political preferences, this is a historic victory, for various reasons.

1) it's a strong rejection of george bush and his neocon allies who have caused so much pain and suffering around the world. whether you are a neocon or not, this fucking preemptive war doctrine is effectively OVER.

2) for a country that had racial segregation 40 years ago to elect a black man is a huge step. maybe you don't sympathize with this, but just imagine what it's going to be the day we elect our first openly gay president. proposition 8 may have won today, but it will not stand against history. we make progress.

3) there is a new activist core in this country that has developed in this campaign that will simply not go away. a lot of people have become involved in civic life. watch in months to come.

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now you can argue from a marxist point of view that this democracy is simply an instrument of the bourgeoisie and that obama is a capitalist and blah blah blah-- fine. give it a try. convince us.

for maoists-- this election would be a setback-- maoists want to quicken the revolution by exacerbating the contradictions of society and would have LOVED a third bush term. but fuck maoists and their fanatic disease.

in any case, you're stuck with gordon brown-- gordon brown! and a monarchy for fuck's sakes. go organize the masses in your adoptive country and i'll do the same here.

[davenotdead]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

anyway, just because people don't share your political views it doesn't mean that they are suffering from any of the stuff you've listed. be a man and accept that.

this.

I guess you can consider me a vote for Obama, because I didn't vote for McCain.

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

my accepting or rejecting an argument is not a matter of "manhood" but of it being a convincing argument, you pumpkinhead. be a man and accept that the burden of proof is on you.

i stand by my condemnation and contempt of cynics. with those who disagree passionately it's another story-- i may think suchfriends is a bit of a loon, but i don't think he's apathetic. he assumed i was speaking to him, i just didn't bother to reply. maybe i should.

anyway, regardless of political preferences, this is a historic victory, for various reasons.

1) it's a strong rejection of george bush and his neocon allies who have caused so much pain and suffering around the world. whether you are a neocon or not, this fucking preemptive war doctrine is effectively OVER.

2) for a country that had racial segregation 40 years ago to elect a black man is a huge step. maybe you don't sympathize with this, but just imagine what it's going to be the day we elect our first openly gay president. proposition 8 may have won today, but it will not stand against history. we make progress.

3) what some people are failing to understand is that there is a new activist core that has developed in this campaign that will simply not go away. watch in months to come.

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now you can argue from a marxist point of view that this democracy is simply an instrument of the bourgeoisie and that obama is a capitalist and blah blah blah-- fine. give it a try. convince us..

in any case, you're stuck with gordon brown-- gordon brown! and a monarchy for fuck's sakes. go organize the masses in your adoptive country and i'll do the same here.

For your information I do partecipate in political activity but never advertise it on the internet 'cause it's seen as lame and, erm, apathetic. That's all you're getting.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

what did you win exactly? you'll all find out soon enough...

i sure hope so. i wanna stay involved. i'm looking forward to universal health care.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

you did all this bullshit for Barack Obama and you have the nerve to call us tools? nonsense!

"us"? i didnt include you in that. i answered you separately in the pot-haze post.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Being dissident to the mainstream media, not supporting Barack Obama does not equate with apathy, it just is not in support of what you like. sorry, people have the inherit think what they feel, but the difference is reality is not subjective to the thoughts of men.

i didn't say you were apathetic-- you're far from apathetic. crazy? perhaps. but apathetic, no.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

and death-lovers? Check the program of who you support, Barack Obama said three weeks ago that the first thing to do on his first day of office is to send two battalions to Afghanistan. He then reiterated how we are slacking our war effort in that country for Iraq.

well, the taliban was harboring bin laden and they refused to turn him over. bush was supposed to get him and botched the job. bin laden is still hiding under the taliban's reemergence. take that fucker and his organization out.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

some fucking peace candidate... just like Kerry, them say stop a war in one place only to fight another war somewhere else....

there's wars and there's wars.

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop

That's all you're getting.

it's more than i asked for!

anyway, best wishes with that.

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Originally Posted by pbradley

He's one of the least pushover Democrats around.

it's a done deal.

about the mossad accusations-- that he was "mega", etc-- they are a bit scary. the dad was after all a member of irgun, which was a terrorist organization...

but in this country, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

something that is cool and bizarre (i didn't know this) is that he was the inspiration for the character of josh lyman in the west wing-- or so i've read.

in any case, i hope he gets to push obama's legislative agenda while resisting pressure from "congressional barons". if we let this be a free for all it's going to be jimmy carter all over again.

[tesla69]

"According to Democratic candidates who ran for House of Representative seats in 2006, Rahm Emanuel, then head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, took sides during the Democratic primary elections, favoring conservative candidates, including former Republicans, and sidelining candidates who were running in favor of withdrawal from Iraq."

[pbradley]

Oh no, Obama is bringing in people with differing political opinions like he said he would.

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Originally Posted by pbradley

Oh no, Obama is bringing in people with differing political opinions like he said he would.

the horror! (ha ha).

dick lugar & colin powell seem to be heading for the cabinet too. hurray on giving colon a chance to redeem himself after being used as cheney's patsy.

[MellySingsDoom]

Originally Posted by sarramkrop

For your information I do partecipate in political activity but never advertise it on the internet 'cause it's seen as lame and, erm, apathetic. That's all you're getting.

For public information: I used to be part of Sarramkrop's British Unilateral Marxist party, but was thrown out for dressing up like Amy Winehouse, and quoting from the book of Ron Jeremy. That, and also trying to put my hand down his trousers.

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congrats on turning nm blue o'symbol one.

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Originally Posted by █████████

congrats on turning nm blue o'symbol one.

thanks man, it was fucking awesome to be a part of this

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Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

For public information: I used to be part of Sarramkrop's British Unilateral Marxist party, but was thrown out for dressing up like Amy Winehouse, and quoting from the book of Ron Jeremy. That, and also trying to put my hand down his trousers.

they didn't imprison you as a social deviant and send you to be reeducated in a gulag?