[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by nomadicfollower

I guess your not an Ayn Rand fan?

she's truly vomity.

if you want a refutation of herd politics & a call for individuals to become their best and greatest, as i said, skip the bullcrap & go straight for nietzsche.

for my taste, "beyond good and evil" is his best work.

[nomadicfollower]

I've tried reading Beyond Good and Evil. All I got out of it, was that society is a 'herd', people who rely on common values living together, seeking guidance, a commander, someone to institute morals. And that fear is the mother of morals.
Most of it went over my head and I never completely finished it.


Someone else was saying Rand is nuaseating, especially in Atlas Shurgged...Fuck it, I'll try it anyway.

[luxinterior]

My friend once read a book called "Satan Wants You!" and did a report on it for class. That teacher was such a cool guy.

[krastian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

if you want a refutation of herd politics & a call for individuals to become their best and greatest, as i said, skip the bullcrap & go straight for nietzsche.

Or read Emerson.

[!@#$%!]

if you are not ready to read nietzsche (which i admit can be a bit harsh at first) i'd try this book which is not bad at all, actually it's pretty accurate, unlike those shitty-ass comic-book versions of philosophers that sell in hip bookstores. the book in question is:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080...lance&n=283155
best review/summary i've read of him-- ever.

i'd lend you mind but already gave it to a friend who never returned it.

another option would be zarathustra, which to me reads like a kid's book, but it's the one of his books nietzsche loved best, and you might enjoy the allegory.

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Originally Posted by krastian

Or read Emerson.

ps-- OH YES!!! EMERSON!!!!! FUCKING A!!!!!!!

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by nomadicfollower

Someone else was saying Rand is nuaseating, especially in Atlas Shurgged...Fuck it, I'll try it anyway.

Hah no I haven't read it. I heard it was. I kind of want to read it, too. I've just heard things that prevented me from reading it so far.

[atari 2600]

Atlas Shrugged...yikes...I concur

She's far more "nauseating" in Anthem & her ridiculous essay, The Virtue of Selfishness though.

[acousticrock87]

Actually I thought Anthem was a great book, if not cliche. Not for philosophical reasons, but because it was a good quick read. Easily done in one or two sittings, and well worth the little time I put into it.

[atari 2600]

Anthem is extremely cliche & only written to establish her stance as "I may be from Russia, but I sure as hell ain't no communist...here read this shit I ripped off...It proves it."

Ayn Rand was helping Nixon & McCarthy & testified on thier committee's behalf during the infamous Unamerican Activites proceedings in the fifties.

On a sidebar, I think Anthem inspired George Lucas' student film at UCLA which launched his film career with a budget from a studio to make it into a motion picture. That movie, THX-1138, was his first & while it did discover Robert Duvall, it is purely & simply one of the absolute worst films ever made. Meanwhile, his best buddy, Francis Ford Coppola, wasn't faring any better with dogs like Finian's Rainbow & The Rain People. If it had not been for Coppola having good subject matter in Mario Puzo's The Godfather book & the hiring of cinematographer Gordon Willis, then that movie would have tanked also, & would have most likely spelled the end of both of their careers. The world would have then been deprived of the brilliant things they went on to do.

[nomadicfollower]

I might have to get that book..
I actaully have the Basic Nietzsche, which collectively has all of his 'major' works: The Birth of Tragedy, BG&E, On the Genealogy of Morals, The Case of Wagner, and Ecco Homo, along with a section of aphroisms.

Hah, that reminds me of a comic-book version of Wittgenstein I saw in a used book store. After flipping through a couple pages I couldn't keep from laughing. Bullshit I say.

[nomadicfollower]

All this Rand bashing is making me hesitate...

[!@#$%!]

let's quite talking about ayn rand. it's like replying on a sonic susie thread-- only giving more attention than it's due.

that nietzsche book i posted is not a reader, but a sort of excellent summary & explanation. think cliff notes on steroids.

[acousticrock87]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

let's quite talking about ayn rand. it's like replying on a sonic susie thread-- only giving more attention than it's due.

Psh. I'm going to read Atlas Shrugged to spite you. Next you'll be telling us Ray Bradbury should be banned from discussion. Communists.

Note: I'm far to lazy to actually read Atlas Shrugged. It's the thought that counts.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by nomadicfollower

All this Rand bashing is making me hesitate...

i would go for it, if only so you can see for yourself what indigestible prose you'll expose yourself to. but don't spend a dime on it.

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happy weekend

im getting the fuck out of here

[atari 2600]

hey, I read Rand, & apparently so did !@#$%!, but, in my opinion, it was a waste of time...haha even if Anthem is a slender volume.

[luxinterior]

I've never read Ayn Rand, but in high school there were no less than 2 trillion scholarship offers on the table for the person who could best dissect in an essay whatever novel of Rand's it happened to be for that particular contest. So the temptation was there in the form of a hell of a lot of money. Obviously I was too lazy to partake.

[Alex's Trip]

Edit: ^ Our teacher had us write essays and if we wanted to submit, them in a contest. We won't find out if any of us won until sometime this summer though.



I had to read Anthem. It was really boring, and cliche. My teacher thought I'd love Ayn Rand because of how unreligous she supposedly was.

[luxinterior]

I hate it when teachers tell me I'll love something that I end up hating. It makes me wonder if everyone thinks I'm a fool. "Oh Becky, I bet you would just love Rent." I actually never saw Rent, whether onstage or onscreen, but I'm familiar with a few of the musical numbers, and I can't say it's all that appealing.

[Gookid]

Originally Posted by luxinterior

My friend once read a book called "Satan Wants You!" and did a report on it for class. That teacher was such a cool guy.

Holy crap, I know who wrote that book.

[Tokolosh]

Right now I'm reading some pretty lame threads.