[Severian]

This is GOOD.

 

[h8kurdt]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

oh i get it now. the masses are the asses as kegmama used to say. ha ha. but no, i think a lot o people like that movie. what's not to like?

Bloody hell, there's a name I totally forgot about. Whatever happened to her?

[Severian]

Have I seen I, Claudius? No. Why do you ask?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

This is GOOD.

 

yep. recommended it to demonyo a while back. not sure if he's seen it yet.

Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Bloody hell, there's a name I totally forgot about. Whatever happened to her?

she was doing well last i heard. but my guess is her kids got old enough to read this board and she had to leave XD

Originally Posted by Severian

Have I seen I, Claudius? No. Why do you ask?

because it's a great show produced with very scarce means. made in the 70s with some shitty cardboard sets. whenever a roman emperor spoke to "a crowd" he's stand in a cardboard balcony speaking into the air and they'd overdub the roar of a crowd. hilarious.

but god damn great writing (based on a robert graves novel) and superb acting. highly watchable and addictive. check it out some time. also, upstairs downstairs (the original, not the modern reboot which was crap).

[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

because it's a great show produced with very scarce means. made in the 70s with some shitty cardboard sets. whenever a roman emperor spoke to "a crowd" he's stand in a cardboard balcony speaking into the air and they'd overdub the roar of a crowd. hilarious.

but god damn great writing (based on a robert graves novel) and superb acting. highly watchable and addictive. check it out some time. also, upstairs downstairs (the original, not the modern reboot which was crap).

Yeah, I know the novel, but it's never occurred to me to watch the '70s BBC-er-whatever adaptation. I will though.

Also, don't think I've ever heard of upstairs downstairs, but I'll look into that as well.

[ilduclo]

Is there going to be one more Americans? I think so, it was left in a cliff hanger type thing. John Hurd in Claudius as Caligula meets Capt Picard as Sejanus, this is a dynamite series, and the book series is great, too.

 

[evollove]

One more bit of praise for I, Claudius.

There are tits in it. No, really! Like, tits that make you want to wank it, not ugly old lady tits.

This is high culture at its finest.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by evollove

One more bit of praise for I, Claudius.

There are tits in it. No, really! Like, tits that make you want to wank it, not ugly old lady tits.

This is high culture at its finest.

as camille paglia said loudest, not that she discovered anything new, she was just the most vociferous, high art is pornography

 

 

[ilduclo]

Bernini's St Theresa! She was fucking nuts!

[!@#$%!]

yes. and bernini a horndog

[Severian]

Originally Posted by evollove

One more bit of praise for I, Claudius.

There are tits in it. No, really! Like, tits that make you want to wank it, not ugly old lady tits.

This is high culture at its finest.

Dude. ... cool.

[demonrail666]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i

but yeah i always though that was the point of dr. who--ideas. ... when there's no spectacle one has to rely on actual ideas and imagination.

I'd never say DW's ever suffered from a shortage of imagination. As for ideas (by which I suppose you mean philosophical ideas) I'm not sure they've ever been central or dealt with particularly seriously. For me DW belongs to a different, more playful, eccentric kind of SF, that I associate with the likes of The Hitchhikers' Guide ..., Time Bandits, right back to proto-SF like Jules Verne; none of which were especially interesting from a philosophical pov. For me, the Doctor in his TARDIS probably has more in common with Captain Nemo in his Nautilus than Kirk in the Enterprise.

[ilduclo]

Started into Episodes, pretty funny.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I'd never say DW's ever suffered from a shortage of imagination. As for ideas (by which I suppose you mean philosophical ideas) I'm not sure they've ever been central or dealt with particularly seriously. For me DW belongs to a different, more playful kind of SF, with stuff like The Hitchhikers' Guide ..., Time Bandits, right back to proto-SF like Jules Verne; none of which were especially interesting from a philosophical pov. For me, the Doctor in his TARDIS has more in common with Captain Nemo in his Nautilus than Kirk in the Enterprise.

ah, captain nemo! AWESOME

im still waiting for the first dr. who series to arrive here... fucking netflix!

aghhhhh

[Severian]

Originally Posted by demonrail666

I'd never say DW's ever suffered from a shortage of imagination. As for ideas (by which I suppose you mean philosophical ideas) I'm not sure they've ever been central or dealt with particularly seriously. For me DW belongs to a different, more playful, eccentric kind of SF, that I associate with the likes of The Hitchhikers' Guide ..., Time Bandits, right back to proto-SF like Jules Verne; none of which were especially interesting from a philosophical pov. For me, the Doctor in his TARDIS probably has more in common with Captain Nemo in his Nautilus than Kirk in the Enterprise.

Hmm. I'm not sure I agree. I mean, yes, there's the kooky Britishness, playful and whimsical, and yes I'd toss Time Bandits and Jules Verne in the same general pile, but I don't think the Doctor is anything like Nemo really. Sure, there are surface similarities, but Nemo is a hyper-politicized anti-hero. The Doctor is a hero hero, in a super traditional, no question about it kind of way.
Not that I think the Doctor anything like Kirk either. But that's because Star Trek spreads its philosophical, sort of theoretical representation of "humanity" out over a handful of characters from a handful of races. The Doctor is, I think, very much an ideal for humanity just like the premise of Star Trek is — Star Trek just doesn't compact its version of the ideal into one body/mind. Doctor Who does.

In my mind, the mythology is really closest in spirit to that of Superman. A British, intellectual, brains-over-brawn Superman. Both characters are sort of demigods (or godlike figures) who, despite being ANYTHING but human, choose to embody the best of what humanity "can be" (never will be). Both characters have the power to, in one way or another, simply force the world around them to bend to their will, and just be good and be decent, like they are, but both characters hold onto a strong conviction that humanity's choice in this is absolutely necessary, so they choose to act as guides instead of enforcers.

Both characters are basically metaphors for "God" existing as a result of human action. "God" or ultimate goodness achieved through eternal compassion.

Now obviously there are a ton of differences between Superman and the Doctor, but I think comparing the Doctor to another "mad" or daffy scientist on a cruise through the unknown is just way too easy, and probably places undue importance on the circumstances (a ship, a journey, a mystery, companions) and not enough on the real heart of the character, which is, for lack of a better term, benevolent, nearly-all-powerful superbeing with a savior complex.

I don't know though... you've seen more of the original series than I have, I think, and maybe my assessment is more based on the newer Who, but I still think there are some definite similarities between Star Trek and Doctor Who in terms of general premise, if not in a character-by-character level.

Y'know?

[Severian]

Fucking love Jules Verne though. Has there ever been a decent adaptation of Twenty-thousand Leagues Under the Sea?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

Fucking love Jules Verne though. Has there ever been a decent adaptation of Twenty-thousand Leagues Under the Sea?

i think yes with omar sharif? i don't think i recall much. it was in the prehistory of color tv i think.

[Severian]

Speaking of the good Doctor:

Doctor Who casts series 11 companion

... aaaand it's an old dude!

[!@#$%!]

close, but no cigar:

THE MYSTERIOUS ISLAND

i'm trying to link to a miniseries not a movie. apparently the thing was recut? something...

[Rob Instigator]

Defenders first two eps BORING. The next three got more exciting. I still have to finish the season.

The last GoT was very exciting.