[Severian]

Originally Posted by dead_battery

she lost the narrative and the voters long before the coney thing

she has yet to acknowledge her betrayal of sanders, of the dem base, and of the prog media. she refused to appear on tyt. shes done and unless lessons are learned, the dems are largely done.

we passed through a very important moment here. noone believes in the liberal establishment anymore. it can no longer defeat the left electorally in the name of centrist realism. happened in the uk too.

Can't say I'm a fan of your tone here. But you don't need me to be a fan of your tone and I get that. But what Symbpls said about ambition needs to be taken extremely seriously. Hillary Clinton has gobs of it, and like many women, she is expected to hide it or apologize for it. Trump is the very picture of misdirected ambition, and -- strangely -- that's the one thing that his supporters felt "qualified" him to be president. His raw, shameless, uncontainable and undeserved conviction in himself. Hillary actually displayed something very similar, and the same people who argued that this quality was the one thing that made Trump a suitable candidate (and many who hated Trump), are saying that it's the very thing that makes HRC "corrupt" and "evil."

Essentially this serves as something of a microcosm of gender relations in the workplace. Women are picking up steam in education, becoming more credentialed and certified and so on than men on the whole, but when vying for jobs they are widely -- still, in 2016-- less valued than men.

Men are still more likely to be given employment over women of equal qualification. This was the biggest job opening in the world. Why would this be any different?

Also, because it's going to take the political scientists and statistitoons some time to retread the data and figure out what exactly went wrong and when it happened, I don't think you can say Comey didn't play a part in this. He placed a seed of doubt in the hearts of voters everywhere one week before the election, and I know several people who decided to vote Stein or abstain just days before T-Day. What he did has been defended by right wing congressmen, claiming he was doing his job, presented with an "impossible choice" and so on, yet his job was to reveal new relevant evidence about the candidate if it came up, and we all know that's not what he did. He gave us a red herring at an extremely calculated time, and I'd say he deserves to be investigated on federal criminal charges and interfering with an election.

For now, with what we know, Comey was the back-breaking straw.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by tesla69

I disagree. She communicated clearly and and was rejected. Quite a number of americans don't want to pay for more and more immigrants.

I believe it was the Trannie First agenda that did it. Trannies are just too strange for many americans. "They" went too far trying to bully everyone into their transexual agenda. Most americans aren't too worried about gays, they may be prejudiced but they will not get too upset about it, but having the trannies forced on them pushed them over the edge.

And yet Bernie's supporters are almost 100% pro-transgender rights legislation, and he "would have won"

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tesla69

I disagree. She communicated clearly and and was rejected. Quite a number of americans don't want to pay for more and more immigrants.

I believe it was the Trannie First agenda that did it. Trannies are just too strange for many americans. "They" went too far trying to bully everyone into their transexual agenda. Most americans aren't too worried about gays, they may be prejudiced but they will not get too upset about it, but having the trannies forced on them pushed them over the edge.

i disagree with hillary's communication skills. she talks like a lawyer and makes simple ideas complicated.

about the "trannie first" agenda as you call it-- i get that the mainstream is prone to phobias and sexual panics, but this is an issue of civil rights. gay is now mainstream so transgender is the new outsider. shouldn't be. why so afraid?

the problem however is that liberals with their idealism and indiscipline should have focused on the issues that could unify the country-- namely, how to prosper in a global economy. for which the key is not scapegoating immigrants (or wall street) but EDUCATION AND JOB RETRAINING. which is how you attract advanced industry.

democrats gave up on being the party of the working class though and your complain illustrates this. they're the party of women and minorities and all the little tribes that aren't white men. this is a broken strategy at this juncture. enough with the splintered causes-- it's time to get back to class issues.

ETA: and re: transgender rights-- instead of getting involved in arguing gender theory with the masses who are worried about their jobs, all you need to say to guarantee transgender rights without losing the culture war is:

WE BELIEVE IN EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL AMERICANS

period. nobody can argue against that. and instead of getting stuck arguing divisive issues you actually do things that matter.

[dead_battery]

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[dead_battery]

Originally Posted by tesla69

I disagree. She communicated clearly and and was rejected. Quite a number of americans don't want to pay for more and more immigrants.

I believe it was the Trannie First agenda that did it. Trannies are just too strange for many americans. "They" went too far trying to bully everyone into their transexual agenda. Most americans aren't too worried about gays, they may be prejudiced but they will not get too upset about it, but having the trannies forced on them pushed them over the edge.

sorry, but gender essentialism is being destroyed by hyper industrial commodification which has reduced every material aspect of the gender binary to hot-swappable components. sorry. this is not going away. please continue to whine and lash out until the robots sterilise and murder you. you stupid fucking cunt.

[tesla69]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ETA: and re: transgender rights-- instead of getting involved in arguing gender theory with the masses who are worried about their jobs,

there is no "gender theory" here. You simply are unable to accept that other people have different viewpoints than you. You totally avoid my point.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tesla69

there is no "gender theory" here. You simply are unable to accept that other people have different viewpoints than you. You totally avoid my point.

i'm not trying to avoid your point. i'm trying to skirt around the issue that you're projecting your sex problems onto a whole class of citizens.

i mean between your obsession with pornography and child rape, your fear of "satanic tits", your prurient interests in people's "jerkoff worlds", now you're saying that you voted for trump over bathrooms?

originally trump said this was a non-issue. i don't know what he told you afterwards that made you a believer. maybe hearing him say he grabs women by the pussy made you feel safely in the hands of a straight male.

but anyway, yes, gender theory. college kids get it, the uneducated don't. don't push gender theory to the masses is what i'm saying, just give everyone equal rights.

are you against equal rights, fascist?

fascist.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i'm not trying to avoid your point. i'm trying to skirt around the issue that you're projecting your sex problems onto a whole class of citizens.

i mean between your obsession with pornography and child rape, your fear of "satanic tits", your prurient interests in people's "jerkoff worlds", now you're saying that you voted for trump over bathrooms?

originally trump said this was a non-issue. i don't know what he told you afterwards that made you a believer. maybe hearing him say he grabs women by the pussy made you feel safely in the hands of a straight male.

but anyway, yes, gender theory. college kids get it, the uneducated don't. don't push gender theory to the masses is what i'm saying, just give everyone equal rights.

are you against equal rights, fascist?

fascist.

Haaaaa!!!!

[tesla69]

There is no bigger bully on this forum than you. You love calling people names and projecting your own pathology onto everyone else. You are unable to have a discussion with people you've never met, you're really a Soros lapdog, and since your argument is shit, you just try and shut people down with your name calling.

You really should go back to analyzing katy perry's large breasts, because that seems to be about your speed.

You wonder why Hilary lost, just read what you wrote below. Your arrogance and bullying behavior seems to be quite typical of the clinton losers this year.

You like that expression 'jerkoff worlds' don't you, you've repeated it a few times in other threads!

Are you indexing my posts?

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i mean between your obsession with pornography and child rape, your fear of "satanic tits", your prurient interests in people's "jerkoff worlds", now you're saying that you voted for trump over bathrooms?.

[Severian]

I know this doesn't really matter, and is probably not worth bringing up, but tesla69 is making these arguments on a sonic youth forum. I doubt there is a single fan base for a non-LGBTQ band or musician that is less likely to overlap with transphobics.

Is it possible that tesla's just saying shit to stir the pot here?
Of course, just being SY fans doesn't mean we're all liberals, but social awareness is a political foundation of Sonic Youth's music and cultural presence. I'm having a hard time believing that even one SY fan who likes the band enough to spend time on a message board devoted to them would vote Trump.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by tesla69

There is no bigger bully on this forum than you. You love calling people names and projecting your own pathology onto everyone else. You are unable to have a discussion with people you've never met, you're really a Soros lapdog, and since your argument is shit, you just try and shut people down with your name calling.

You really should go back to analyzing katy perry's large breasts, because that seems to be about your speed.

You wonder why Hilary lost, just read what you wrote below. Your arrogance and bullying behavior seems to be quite typical of the clinton losers this year.

You like that expression 'jerkoff worlds' don't you, you've repeated it a few times in other threads!

Are you indexing my posts?

I don't think Symbols is "wondering why Hillary lost." Indeed I believe he has pinpointed a host of reasons for this outcome.

Also, maybe he's forceful at times, maybe he's even, in your mind, a "bully." But if he's bullying anyone, it's outspoken supporters of the nation's biggest... bully.

Maybe if you re-read your "trannies first" post you'd see why you got this response.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by tesla69

There is no bigger bully on this forum than you. You love calling people names and projecting your own pathology onto everyone else. You are unable to have a discussion with people you've never met, you're really a Soros lapdog, and since your argument is shit, you just try and shut people down with your name calling.

You really should go back to analyzing katy perry's large breasts, because that seems to be about your speed.

You wonder why Hilary lost, just read what you wrote below. Your arrogance and bullying behavior seems to be quite typical of the clinton losers this year.

You like that expression 'jerkoff worlds' don't you, you've repeated it a few times in other threads!

Are you indexing my posts?

i have an ok brain so i remember what you said 3 pages ago, suprisingly, without the help of Master S.O.R.O.S.-I or the NSA or the elders of zion. it's not hard to remember what one read last week. and the yahoo cabal of pornographers has been on your signature since the dawn of time. plus to you everyone is a pedophile.

besides, some things you say are so ridiculous and absurd they're highly memorable. "katy perry's satanic tits" could actually be a hilarious meme if you didn't take it as literally as you appear to do.

anyway i won't bully your convictions anymore by doing such outrageous acts as reading what you just wrote. i might notice the incoherences and then point them out and the horror the horror.

if you hate "trannies," and "colored youths" who look your way at the bodega--why did you ever move to new york from ye olde farm?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk

OK, so I may well be a political figure from a century ago (that being an Old-Timey Milwaukee Kraut Socialist), yet, when it comes to world without borders, unless accomplished under proper Proletarian leadership, that strikes me as being the long-time goal of the capitalist class of PIGS!!!. which leads me to love this, the former National Anthem of the USA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-gt3vaae4g

a century ago your ancestors were immigrating by the millions without border control and were subjected to the same vilification as mexicans and muslims today though. ethnic/linguistic/religious etc. in other words, your great-great-grandpappy would be a syrian today.

check this fun stuff, among many others

http://www.ushistory.org/us/25f.asp (sorry for the very basic text, i was looking by one from pew research but i've lost it. let this just be a reminder of history though)

as for immigrant labor used by capital to undercut domestic wages-- there hasn't been a time when it hasn't happened. look at how the railroad was built.

but anyway, this is not to say that i'm for the exploitation of workers or for lawlessness or for anarchy-- but let's start seeing things from the point of view that we all came out of africa and migration has always been a fact of life. it's best to regulate and normalize and manage rationally than to pretend it can be stopped or assume that it's good to stop it. a free market of matter and energy and information only makes sense with a free market of labor as well. let the talent and the muscle go where it's most needed, but let's do it within a frame of justice and fairness.

besides, the future of the internet might make traveling moot. there's this really cool low-budget scifi movie i forget teh name, but it shows mexican workers in the border operating construction robots in the us while they fry their brains with the interface. what's the name of it... i'll post if i remember

[Severian]

^^ oh, I think I've seen it actually... this sci-fi film you're talking about. I think that imagery has been used a few times actually, in television as well as film. But I'm spacing on the name too.

[dead_battery]

george soros told me i could sup from katy perrys satanic tits if only i spread more pro tolerance memes and aborted more babies

they tasted like sauerkraut let me tell you, full of good bacteria im sure but tangy af. those aborted babies sure do fill you up.

oh well, thats what you get when you chose evil, unlike those good anti semites and truthers on teslas side

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Severian

^^ oh, I think I've seen it actually... this sci-fi film you're talking about. I think that imagery has been used a few times actually, in television as well as film. But I'm spacing on the name too.

SLEEP DEALER!!

cheaply made,but imaginative cyberpunk of the border. i liked it.

[ilduclo]

Rude Pundit:

The planets have aligned for Trump - the hatred of the black president, the hatred of the woman who dared to try to take his place, the hatred of everyone who made the country less white and more tolerant. Trump has risen and he will eclipse the light over the country, making it a cold, desolate place.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by ilduclo

Rude Pundit:

The planets have aligned for Trump - the hatred of the black president, the hatred of the woman who dared to try to take his place, the hatred of everyone who made the country less white and more tolerant. Trump has risen and he will eclipse the light over the country, making it a cold, desolate place.

tesla will be appointed sex kommissar in his building, and will perform random bedroom checks to make sure there are no immigrant "trannies" hiding in closets, or women pissing while standing up. white members only. by extreme vetting (physical inspection). all tits will be exorcised. mandatory mastectomies to cast the devil out.

[ilduclo]

tits will be checked to see if they float (satanic) or sink (ok tits)

[dead_battery]

we'll needa eat a whole lotta dead babies if we're gonna have the energy to judge all them tittays