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OK, "hate" is pretty strong. I can't entirely dismiss an entire genre. However, damn near everything I've heard is pretty...dumb. I always feel like a square cracker when I recognize this dark spot in my taste. It's embarassing, to be honest. But I can come clean here, no?
And don't give me that "There are some intelligent rappers" shit, because I haven't heard them. Even everyone's beloved Tribe Called Quest has plenty of raps about hoes and bitches, and aren't above some dippy "We Can Get Down" shit. yo yo yo. Even if there was a rapper with something to say, he/she would have to be tight for a whole album, then another album, etc. Eventually, they'd run out of shit to say. In a way, I feel bad: rap has more words per square inch vs. rock, and requires more talent. Maybe this is why all the rappers fail. Ever look at the lyrics to a rap song? Even a tune you like and think might be okay looks painfully illiterate on paper. And it's all about the words because the music is either a) stolen, or b) a riff that gets repeated 5000 times in three minutes. Isn't it amazing? Any rap group that uses "real insturments" (oooo!!) automatically gets praise? They're fo' real. Gimme a fucking break. |
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new hip hop rap, whatsoever, yes.
old, no. MBV covered Public Enemy. Public Enemy rules. |
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when one disagrees with another about a genre of music, they serve
themselves best by letting what they hold up as a shining example of genius within that genre speak for itself. and herrrrrrrre we goooooooo.... "Children's Story", Slick Rick Once upon a time Not long ago, Where people wore pajamas and lived life slow Where laws where stern and justice stood And people were behavin' like they ought to - good There lived a little boy who was mislead By another little boy And this is what he said: "Me and you tike, we're gonna make some cash" "Robbin' old folks and makin' the dash" They did the job Money came with ease But one couldn't stop! It's like he had a disease, He robbed another and another And a sister and a brother Tried to rob a man who was a D.T. undercover The cop grabed his arm He started actin' erratic He said: "Keep still boy, no need for static" Punched him in his belly and gave him a slap But little did he know The little boy was strapped The kid pulled outta gun He said: "Why'd you hit me?" The barrel was set straight for the cop's kidney The cop got scared, The kid, he starts to figure: "I'll do years if I pull this trigger" So he cold dashed And ran around the block Cop radios in to another lady cop He ran by a tree There he saw the sister Shot for the head He shot back but he missed her Looked 'round good And from excpectations He decided he'd head for the subway stations But (what) She was coming and he made a left He was running top speed Till he was out of breath Knocked an old man down And swore he killed him (sorry) Then he made his move to an abandonded building Ran up the stairs up to the top floor Opened up a door There guess who he saw? (who) Dave! The dope fiend shootin' dope Who don't know the meaning of water nor soap, He said: "I need bullets, hurry up, run!", The dope fiend rolled back a spankin' shot gun! He went outside but there were cops all over THen he dipped into a car; A stolen nova Raced up the block doin' 83 Crashed into a tree Near University Escaped alive Though the car was battered Rat-a-tat-tatered And all the cops scattered Ran out of bullets And he still had static Grabbed the pregnant lady And pulled out the automatic Pointed at her head He said the gun was full of lead He told the cops: "Back off, or honey here's dead" Deep in his heart He knew he was wrong So he lets the lady go And he starts to run on Sirens sounded He seemed astounded And, before long the boy got surrounded He dropped his gun So went the glory And this is the way I have to end this story He was only one teen in a madman's dream The cops shot the kid I still hear him scream This ain't funny So don't ya' dare laugh Just another case about the wrong path Straight and narrow Or your soul gets cast Goodnite.
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"Y'all tucked in?"- what a great song. Rick the ruler! I always admired these guys use of funk samples; ![]() |
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totally, here's Live From The Plantation by Mr. Lif, who for my money is the best lyricist doing social commentry stuff in hiphop or any style of music that i'm aware of, today. *alarm ringing* "Oh my fucking god man, ahhh. fucking serious" Jesus Christ, man. already? Man, time flies like a motherfucker." Rise and shine! Yet another day to toss away What does my clock display? It says eight Shit, I'm late for work again, so then I dip with my pad and my pen Step into the work place with my work face Wince at my time card cuz I'm scarred Mad cuz I sacrifice my day and gets me A trifling hourly wage of six fifty, nifty Now I'm off to slave quarters With a whole bunch of other people's sons and daughters Working so they can be mothers and fathers Laboring real hard, hoping the boss offers More petty cash to his bums and paupers Kissing his ass cuz they hoping they prosper Here's the math: You work a thirty a day, away The government takes a thirty a check, correct You go home and drink cuz you don't get An ounce of respect, and your spirit is wrecked Life is a gift to be enjoyed, every second every minute It's temporary, not infinite Yet I find myself looking at the clock hoping for the day to fly by, so I ask myself "Why?" I'm doing this remedial work for second graders I'm an educator with mega-flavor, so Maybe I should just jump up and get ill Maybe I should let these people know they're being killed Maybe I should try my very best to chill, and get paid Cuz I gotta pay bills, raa! "Excuse me brother, can you please stop making that noise so I can talk? Thank you. Now the boss says he wants you to come up with more copies of these checks, and the last thing he wants is you to move the desk to the basement, and can I have this stapler?" ("Hey there champ, big boss man says you been late 3 days in a row, better sharpen up") Aw, this fucking place sucks - same shit everyday Like to wring the boss' neck though, if only dreams could come true Dead boss, somebody call Red Cross I guess he got caught up in my mental holocaust How much did it cost? Just a little piece of my mind for peace of mind "But he's bleeding!" Oh no, leave him. He'll be fine He'll heal on his own if you just give him some time Considering the fact that his face is misaligned His legs are over there lying right next to his spine "Lunchtime!" Huh? Oh, Jesus, must have been daydreaming My boss walks by, he's looking just like an asshole Smiling because he jerks niggas for minimum cash flow He's cool to my face but I swear I heard him laugh though Tickled by the fact that I'm the modern day Sambo And just when I think that I'm about to go Rambo I call up my man and he says he understands, yo We all are being murdered by a similar process Whether you work at the candy store Or slave at the office The purpose of our life is just to serve the economy They misinform our minds to paint a picture of harmony But if you listen then you know that shits out of tune Cuz the function of our life is just to work and consume Fuck reaching out to help the next, there ain't any room Just close your eyes and block your ears and march to your doom But since I really ain't getting paid for my time I pulled out my pen and started writing a rhyme Can't you see that I'm busy, jerk? Don't you dare approach me with busy work Take another step and get hurt By the man that embodies mad years of anger A cool bro, soon to be the Boston Strangler Everything inside of me is about to erupt Cuz a righteous individual just likes to corrupt I knew he'd lock me up if I started a brawl So I deaden, and I punch the clock the fuck off the wall "Yea that's right motherfucker you can't keep underpaying people and mistreating them all the time That's gonna resort to crime. As a matter of fact, you know what? Faks, yo cut this motherfucker, man." 9-1-1 |
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Look up Aesop Rock.
He is a genious. His beats aren't boring and his lyrics are close to perfect. |
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so you don't know who any intelligent rappers are, but you don't want us to tell you who they are because you haven't heard of them before? stop being embarrased about not liking rap, just be cool about it, rather than coming up with a series of arguements that are based on ignorance and predjudice. |
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cool i can't wait to hear it, what's your myspace again? have you made a CD yet? |
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I'm not even getting into this one. I find evollove's post terribly ignorant. That or just a joke. I can't see how someone can't be joking with those views.
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my rhymes, son!
I am premanufactured beats and lines about dope watches, scandanavian scarves dyed with human blood, and science class skeltons carved from elephant tusks. Hip hop puppet master apprentices ripping rhymes from wheel of fortune's rhyme time and following fools in line to the end of the world. Where little boys fall in love with little girls and men fall head over heels for women driven by revolution. Where ideas grow like trees, starting young, strong and thick to grow and blossom into something beautiful, then die when every one forgets about it. |
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thanks, every time i got to your myspace page it's got a new web address. |
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the hip hop i like, i really like but it's not something i listen to everyday.
it's pretty stupid to say everything sucks, although i'm pretty sure there has to be a lot of people who don't find any positive characteristics in it. i mean, if someone loves music with emphasis on melody, like harmonically complex stuff, big arrangements and don't pay attention to lyrics, then they probably won't like hip hop. that said, if you really like music, then there's probably some hip hop act that's going to speak to you, there has been so many artists doing so many different things that saying there's not a single good hip hop act is just plain ignorant. |
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A modest political rhyme of my own.
An iridescent message from the very last lungs with the very last breathe it was the very last sung. It was a song of hope, before a pile of rubble, all left over when humanity stumbled. I guess that's the way that the human mind works, always believin that the living life lurks, but it's gone. All done. Like a heavy smoking gun. Hitting like a hammer down upon everyone. They say of the Cold War that Ronny Reag won. But they didn't believe it and neither did their sons. Ghosts around the corners and hiding in caves. Ghosts in the telephones and floppy disk saves. Are they really the cowards that they seem to portray? Or is this all the joke in which the money game's played? Fuck, I guess this is the shit I'll never know. Ask to many questions and yr freedoms get towed. But you might just say that things are lookin up that we're just digging out of some dirty ass slump. I wish I had your confidence, I wish I had yr hope but remember to keep in mind that lonely singing dope. |
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the Revenge of the Robots DVD is really cool if you like Mr. Lif, Aesop, El-P and the rest of Def. Jux.
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Not so much now with computers etc but imagine how hard it would have been to produce a hip hop song on 1980's equipment.
Listen to the Rza's production on Wu-Tang's first LP and tell me that's not talent. Mind boggling, but still head nodding shit. You don't have to like hip hop, as everyone has their own personal taste but to say the whole genre is worthless is silly.
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WORD! Mr. Lif really has a thing for letting the words flow and making complete sense. Listen, read and learn, little puppies. To answer the original question of the thread: No I don't, and in fact yesterday was Wu Tang Clan day chez sarramkrop, and I was blasting their back catalogue, various tracks from mixtapes and then it was Ghostface Killah, Company Flow, De La Soul, Sensational, Erik B. Anbd Rakim and Mr. Lif himself before bedtime. |
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Ever look at the lyrics to a Sonic Youth song? ZING!
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There is some brilliant Hip Hop out there evollove.
A lot of good stuff on Anticon and Lex to name a few. Here's a link I dedicated to someone on the forum a couple of weeks ago. Got no reply as usual. It's a good laugh, which I think is important in Hip Hop, considering the macho attitude and seriousness you normally find in this genre. http://www.youtube.com/Dan Le Sac vs Scroobius Pip 'Thou Shalt Always Kill' |
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I have been in a mood for listening to the Fugees. The Score is a good album.
edit- If you do not consider Kanye West somewhat intellectual, then you are really missing a lot. I mean I am not really into hip-hop or rap, but there are rappers out there that I like. I used to think like this, when I was fourteen, but I have heard some great rap songs. Trust me there is. |
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Anticon stuff can be good good but at the same time it infuriates me no end. Anyway, as far as the machismo goes, here's some gay hip hop links: Purple Rain http://www.myspace.com/sonnyloubang Grand Royal http://www.myspace.com/grandroyal718 In New York (where else?) there's also a Hip Hop cabaret act, whose name I don't know but i read about it somewhere. Here you can find more information on gay hip hop: http://www.io.com/~larrybob/hiphop.html |
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