[SynthethicalY]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...070323/us-iraq

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

what?!?!

[ploesj]

that's some good news. they did take their time though.

[jon boy]

thing is it will be a mess if they stay and it will be a mess if they leave. maybe they should have listened to everyone else and not gone there in the fucking first place. stupid ignorant money grabbing scum.

[Bastian]

Things were also a mess before they arrived.

Anyways, this will either fail in Senate or by Bush's veto, so don't get your hopes up..

More interesting and frightening things to come.Watch this space.

[jon boy]

Originally Posted by Bastian

Things were also a mess before they arrived.

Anyways, this will either fail in Senate or by Bush's veto, so don't get your hopes up..

no shit.

either way the world is a much more dangerous place nowadays.

[!@#$%!]

TUSWDK

[SpectralJulianIsNotDead]

Originally Posted by jon boy

no shit.

either way the world is a much more dangerous place nowadays.

Excuse me for hijacking the thread but WTF does that mean?

In the cold war there was threat of nuclear fallout, before that there were the nazis, before that was world war I, etc.

Not that I support the war in Iraq- I don't. But it pisses me off when people imply that the world is much worse than it was in the good old days. What good old days? The days when blacks weren't allowed to use the same water fountains? The days when arena sports included naval combat and feeding people of other religions to lions? The days when Napoleon lined up prisoners on the coast and executed them all for 3 days straight tinting the sea blood red?

The world always sucked, always will.

[atari 2600]

it means what I said it would mean from the beginning and jon boy is exactly (as I infer his meaning) correct.

bin Laden's (& co.'s) successful attack on 9/11 is a moral victory for Islamic exremists. The most brilliant of all of the Muslims are in Pakistan (where Osama is likely to be (perhaps sheltered by our own government, I might add))...and in Pakistan, all the eggheads have Osama screensavers and posters and he is their messiah. These are the people that will eventually, one day, discover how to arm, launch, and detonate a nuclear missile/bomb. (And probably straight into Israel.)

Aside from that grim news, (& on the subject of Islamic moral victories)...
they have now beaten both world superpowers.
First, they beat (with the CIA and Bush/Reagan assistance) Russia (as the Soviet Union at the time) in Afghanistan, and now they have beaten the United States in Iraq.

This emboldens them. But primarily, it is our mere presence there that has flared things up immeasurably. When we came in (upsetting the order of the totalitarian regime under Hussein) and to set up a "democratic" (turned out to be theocratic and Shia (just (again) as I predicted) government, there naturally had to be a war amongst the tribes for the lion's share of the natural resources. After all, the Shia (and Kurds, even moreso) have long been the whipping boys of the Sunni, in Iraq, at least.

So, as many former generals have (since) echoed, what we have in Iraq is a (*aside from being a criminal enterprise courtesy of the executive branch of the U.S. government*) is a situation that benefits the complete inhumans in charge in Iran and has also engendered (and again) emboldened Muslim extremists everywhere. (And the statistics for terrorism frequency worldwide confirms this conclusively.)

Tribal conflict is a lot like gang warfare. It just goes on forever (unless everyone involved is snuffed out (which is an unlikely event)). That's what our troops are in the middle of right now. Getting involved with long-term troop deployment anywhere in the Middle East is not a viable military option; overall, it's purely & simply *a bonehead move*, and any idiot should know that from the get-go, a priori.