[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

So essentially this film looks like an extended version of the 1991 year that punk broke antics combined with tupac resurrection style autobiography so im totally down

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Im hoping it portrays what initially made us fall in love with Nirvana, just how much FUN they were as a band and how FUN kurt was as a human. The whole "suicide king" narrative is just so off base, a lot of middle school and high school aged kids are really and sincerely into nirvana like a lot of us were at that time, hopefully they can see Kurt from our original perspective. The guy was not emo, not somber, not depressing. The guy was the most fun counter culture hero we've had since hendrix totally subverting the establishment by DESTROYING it from the inside out. Kurt wore a ball gown on Headbangers Ball.. THAT is the kind of so ironic its campy Kurt we need to be reminded of

[Keeping It Gimple]

we need to move out of the 90s were people are thrashing and destroying shit on stage, overdosing themselves with skag and booze and the one guy who also shoots himself in the head becomes a hero who "really meant it".

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

We have moved on, but Nirvana has become something different than it was so this is as good a time as any to get back to it should be

[Keeping It Gimple]

guh?

[Keeping It Gimple]

best nirvana album

[Keeping It Gimple]

will post a torrent link to this movie here when it shows up

[Genteel Death]

At this point another family-run Nirvana documentary can't do no harm with a music culture chronically sick with hyperbole and incapable of getting excited and excitable again. Most people enjoying making interesting music and their fans must be so buried under the weight of this sort of shit that it doesn't bear advertising anymore.

[Keeping It Gimple]

i dont believe in culture anymore

yall still in the 20th century, peons

[Genteel Death]

That's what i meant by hyperbole.

[!@#$%!]

my recollection of first hearing nirvana was how well they articulated angst-- the fun was the release-- a kind of gallows humor, sorta.

george bush was still president. the era of the pc had not yet exploded the stock market and a lot of young people were overeducated & underemployed. cynicism was rampant. linklater's "slackers" is probably the best documentary of that time. and yet still somehow the cheery 80s mentality kept slapping its asscheeks from pure inertia-- look ma, it's desert storm. when nirvana started playing on the radio it was like a collective sense of relief that finally everyone admitted that things were really shit and there was no point pretending otherwise. it was the first nail in reagan's coffin-- of course they've been trying to resurrect that creeper ever since, but it won't work.

[Keeping It Gimple]

yeah but where has all that cynicism and sarcasm gone since the 90s ended? its dissappeared, and the 00s were even worse, iraq 2 killed by rumsfelds corporate buddies cheap electric showers boogaloo was much worse than iraq 1 where you just invaded the pulled out just in time for the revolutionaries waiting for your help to make themselves visible then get slaughtered - it was a kind of willed suicide mission for the us army and a deliberate destruction of iraq for profit which failed and has now created isis.

add to that the fact that real income for the masses has been declining since the 70s and then the great recession -

and what did you get? 00s culture was even more hyper conservative and positive than zombie reagans alzhiemer dementia hallucination/memory of it. in fact positivity and cheeriness became MANDATORY and dissenters are punished as mentally ill and lose their jobs.

so we havent made any progress and the idea of culture is part of the problem.

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

my recollection of first hearing nirvana was how well they articulated angst-- the fun was the release-- a kind of gallows humor, sorta.

george bush was still president. the era of the pc had not yet exploded the stock market and a lot of young people were overeducated & underemployed. cynicism was rampant. linklater's "slackers" is probably the best documentary of that time. and yet still somehow the cheery 80s mentality kept slapping its asscheeks from pure inertia-- look ma, it's desert storm. when nirvana started playing on the radio it was like a collective sense of relief that finally everyone admitted that things were really shit and there was no point pretending otherwise. it was the first nail in reagan's coffin-- of course they've been trying to resurrect that creeper ever since, but it won't work.

It's interesting how cities get marketed because of various mentions of buildings, spots, bars, shops etc where iconic bands appeared at one point or another. At the time the Velvet Underground were out and about New York had around probably 1/100 of the bars and cafes it has now. A lot of the ''art'' life was still based on the streets, in parks, and privately rented spaces. In London's case it's probably even more drastic because of the stricter licensing laws of the past and the geography of the city.

[Keeping It Gimple]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death

That's what i meant by hyperbole.

no seriously guys

so many political theories rely on this idea of culture and it just doesnt work

theres a reason for that. tim mortons ooo is good at explaining it

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Gimple

yeah but where has all that cynicism and sarcasm gone since the 90s ended? its dissappeared, and the 00s were even worse, iraq 2 killed by rumsfelds corporate buddies cheap electric showers boogaloo was much worse than iraq 1 where you just invaded the pulled out just in time for the revolutionaries waiting for your help to make themselves visible then get slaughtered - it was a kind of willed suicide mission for the us army and a deliberate destruction of iraq for profit which failed and has now created isis.

add to that the fact that real income for the masses has been declining since the 70s and then the great recession -

and what did you get? 00s culture was even more hyper conservative and positive than zombie reagans alzhiemer dementia hallucination/memory of it. in fact positivity and cheeriness became MANDATORY and dissenters are punished as mentally ill and lose their jobs.

so we havent made any progress and the idea of culture is part of the problem.

I don't think being part of a culture is a choice as such. You can lie down on your bed for years on end and still participate in the prominent culture of your surroundings without being conscious of doing so by simply turning the lights of your room on, watching whatever is on your tv, ipad etc. Cynicism and , I imagine, the consequent sarcasm that may follow, are only tiny indications you have criticism for your own surroundings but they amount to tiny achievements unless you actively divert the course of reality and create another environment for people similar to you to fall into. I can't see how that's not creating a different type of culture, embracing everything that it entails.

[Keeping It Gimple]

noone creates reality

[Genteel Death]

Is that an answer or a question? It sounds like both.

[Keeping It Gimple]

"My argument would be that the expression of self was Cobain’s primary purpose and the form of idolatry was therefore the internal drives and wishes that demanded self-expression uber-alles. "

pretty good summation of what most "culture" is

[Genteel Death]

Originally Posted by Keeping It Gimple

"My argument would be that the expression of self was Cobain’s primary purpose and the form of idolatry was therefore the internal drives and wishes that demanded self-expression uber-alles. "

pretty good summation of what most "culture" is

Clicked on that, read the header and I'm NEVER going to take that shit seriously, so I'm not reading it. Probably written by some douche with a pop culture fixation. Do yourself a favour and stay away from that sort of rubbish.

[SuchFriendsAreDangerous]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

my recollection of first hearing nirvana was how well they articulated angst-- the fun was the release-- a kind of gallows humor, sorta..

Thats definitely a big part of it, but think of how facetious so many of their songs are, they weren't always angst filled as much as kind of making fun of things. This was a big part of punk that was NOT part of the metalhead scene that dominated the late 80s.. Nirvana brought back that "we're actually having fun" feeling in punk in bands like descendents.. not taking it all too seriously.

Where there real fun was is their stage presence and media interaction. They were really a band of class clowns and the bigger their unintended celebrity got the more fun they seemed to have making fun of it all! Again, for me the antics from 1991 TheYearThatPunkBroke really defines this aspect of them.