The Fall and Sonic Youth

Thurston Hunger · 05.04.2006, 03:31 PM

Do SY fans generally like The Fall?

Is the SY Peel session of Fall songs highly rated here?

Any other Fall/SY connections anyone knows of?

Sheriff Rhys Chatham · 05.04.2006, 04:56 PM

honestly Ive only heard one song by the fall. it was alright.

Thurston Hunger · 05.04.2006, 04:58 PM

They are the greatest band in the world. Give them a go!

Glice · 05.04.2006, 05:00 PM

They really are the greatest band in the world, that is true.

Hip Priest · 05.04.2006, 05:13 PM

The Fall are indeed generally untouchable. Wonderful. etc etc.

Hip Priest · 05.04.2006, 05:14 PM

Another thing.

On the old board there was a thread to find people's other favourite band (and I did a poll here). The Fall were by far and away the winners on the old thread.

There's not as much SY love on The Fall forum though, which is interesting.

schizophrenicroom · 05.04.2006, 06:29 PM

i love them.

hey alex · 05.04.2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hip Priest

There's not as much SY love on The Fall forum though, which is interesting.

i don't imagine much of any kind of love from fall fans if they'r elike MES. (i kid)

noisemachine · 05.04.2006, 10:47 PM

I have that one compilation 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong (or something like that). I like a lot of the stuff but I can't really get into some of it. Maybe I need to listen to it more?

xpresswaytoyrskull · 05.04.2006, 10:47 PM

Just read an interview with Mark E. Smith today where he mentions how disgusted he is with bands these days citing his music as an influence (i. e. Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand). Then he goes into those like Sonic Youth or Henry Rollins. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he would not even shake Sonic Youth's hands and Rollins is a madman.

I Looooooooove The Fall and I also love Sonic Youth (Rather Ripped withstanding). Mark E. Smith's opinions don't make much difference to me (except the part about hating Bloc Party and FF, I hate them as well) as long as the music is good. I'm so excited to finally see the Fall. This Sunday at 8PM I'll be getting drunk with Mark E. Smith!!!!

noisemachine · 05.04.2006, 11:03 PM

What a douche. I hate it when bands feel so fucking high and mighty that nobody can call them an influence. They should consider it an honor that so many successful bands love their music and are influenced by them. Even if you dont like the band, so what? Just be happy that people like you.

sonicl · 05.05.2006, 12:22 AM

4 Tunna Brix (the Fall covers EP) is excellent. As are The Fall.

Mark E Smith, on the other hand, seems to be a total dickhead, but The Fall probably wouldn't be half the band they are if he wasn't.

Thurston Hunger · 05.05.2006, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hip Priest

There's not as much SY love on The Fall forum though, which is interesting.

...but 99 people so far have voted for their favourite SY album in this poll

Sister and Daydream Nation are by far the most popular.

Hip Priest · 05.05.2006, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Thurston Hunger

...but 99 people so far have voted for their favourite SY album in this poll

Sister and Daydream Nation are by far the most popular.

True, true. There are a few SY fans there, no question. But in a general sense, the love for The Fall here is regularly stated by many. Look at the last lot of posts in the Sonic Youth. One poor soul (with an excellent signiature!) seems to be updating the thread, sometimes without any response at all.

MES is appearing on the Rollins show soon, am I right? Maybe differences will be sorted on air.

Glice · 05.05.2006, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by noisemachine

What a douche. I hate it when bands feel so fucking high and mighty that nobody can call them an influence. They should consider it an honor that so many successful bands love their music and are influenced by them. Even if you dont like the band, so what? Just be happy that people like you.

C'mon, it really wouldn't be the Fall is he went around saying, "It's really nice that people like our music, I'm just glad that we've reached out there and touched people's hearts". Part of the thing with the Fall is that their not like other bands, they've produced tonnes and tonnes of stuff and very little low-grade material, probably because he's a cynical old bastard (who used to be a cynical young bastard) who won't ever stop working and being good... incomparable to anyone else of this or any other era.

*Edit: Apologies for the slushy rhetoric, I haven't slept much.

nancykitten · 05.05.2006, 07:05 AM

God bless The Fall.

Fox · 05.05.2006, 11:35 AM

I have two Fall CDs, the last one and a compilation called Totally Wired and I like both

m^a(t)h · 05.05.2006, 11:59 AM

I dont like the Fall so no...

kenning · 05.05.2006, 12:24 PM

Mark E. Smith needs to be viewed in context--I think the more you understand about British culture, the more you can appreciate his gripes. In the early and mid eighties, The Fall made some of the best records in the world and they totally stand the test of time. Their later output was very spotty--but I'm an ugly American who's spent a lot of time trying to figure out the appeal of, say, a band like Oasis (again, I think you had to be there, or even be from there).

The best classic Fall record is This Nation's Saving Grace. Any American Sonic Youth fan who can't find a way to love that record is deaf. The best recent one is The Real New Fall Album. "Contraflow" is an instant classic.

lucyrulesok · 05.05.2006, 02:47 PM

heh, you didnt have to be there for oasis, they just sucked (they are, unfortunately, part of the soundtrack of my childhood, and i still cant bring myself to like them)
i love the fall, and though mark e smith can be a bit high and mighty he certainly makes the band what it is.
stupidly i went to see them and got so high on drugs all i can remember is one image of mes and one sound, which is sort of a crunchy boom

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Thurston Hunger little trouble girl Join Date: May 2006 Location: Just over there... Posts: 48	Do SY fans generally like The Fall? Is the SY Peel session of Fall songs highly rated here? Any other Fall/SY connections anyone knows of?
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Sheriff Rhys Chatham invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England. Posts: 4,027	honestly Ive only heard one song by the fall. it was alright. __________________ My Music(grunge rock) A part of this blue shit since June 24th, 2004
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Thurston Hunger little trouble girl Join Date: May 2006 Location: Just over there... Posts: 48	They are the greatest band in the world. Give them a go!
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Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	The Fall are indeed generally untouchable. Wonderful. etc etc. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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Hip Priest invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Birkenhead Posts: 9,397	Another thing. On the old board there was a thread to find people's other favourite band (and I did a poll here). The Fall were by far and away the winners on the old thread. There's not as much SY love on The Fall forum though, which is interesting. __________________ Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. http://www.flickr.com/photos/outsidethecamp/
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schizophrenicroom invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: behind you Posts: 10,807	i love them. __________________ fuck i'm frustrated, freaking out something fierce, would you help me? i'm hungry and i stuffer and i startle, i struggle and i stammer til i'm up to my ears in miserable quote unquote "art"
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noisemachine 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 651	I have that one compilation 50,000 Fall Fans Can't Be Wrong (or something like that). I like a lot of the stuff but I can't really get into some of it. Maybe I need to listen to it more? __________________ The best radio station ever: http://www.kcsb.org/?page_id=9
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xpresswaytoyrskull little trouble girl Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 55	Just read an interview with Mark E. Smith today where he mentions how disgusted he is with bands these days citing his music as an influence (i. e. Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand). Then he goes into those like Sonic Youth or Henry Rollins. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that he would not even shake Sonic Youth's hands and Rollins is a madman. I Looooooooove The Fall and I also love Sonic Youth (Rather Ripped withstanding). Mark E. Smith's opinions don't make much difference to me (except the part about hating Bloc Party and FF, I hate them as well) as long as the music is good. I'm so excited to finally see the Fall. This Sunday at 8PM I'll be getting drunk with Mark E. Smith!!!!
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05.04.2006, 11:03 PM	#11
noisemachine 100% Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 651	What a douche. I hate it when bands feel so fucking high and mighty that nobody can call them an influence. They should consider it an honor that so many successful bands love their music and are influenced by them. Even if you dont like the band, so what? Just be happy that people like you. __________________ The best radio station ever: http://www.kcsb.org/?page_id=9
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05.05.2006, 12:22 AM	#12
sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	4 Tunna Brix (the Fall covers EP) is excellent. As are The Fall. Mark E Smith, on the other hand, seems to be a total dickhead, but The Fall probably wouldn't be half the band they are if he wasn't. __________________
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nancykitten children of satan Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Glasgow, UK Posts: 316	God bless The Fall. __________________
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Fox the destroyed room Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France Posts: 599	I have two Fall CDs, the last one and a compilation called Totally Wired and I like both __________________ #green_light_chat Myspace => Fox Noisejob
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m^a(t)h expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,204	I dont like the Fall so no...
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05.05.2006, 12:24 PM	#19
kenning little trouble girl Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: midwest, mainly... Posts: 75	Mark E. Smith needs to be viewed in context--I think the more you understand about British culture, the more you can appreciate his gripes. In the early and mid eighties, The Fall made some of the best records in the world and they totally stand the test of time. Their later output was very spotty--but I'm an ugly American who's spent a lot of time trying to figure out the appeal of, say, a band like Oasis (again, I think you had to be there, or even be from there). The best classic Fall record is This Nation's Saving Grace. Any American Sonic Youth fan who can't find a way to love that record is deaf. The best recent one is The Real New Fall Album. "Contraflow" is an instant classic.
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05.05.2006, 02:47 PM	#20
lucyrulesok 100% Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 770	heh, you didnt have to be there for oasis, they just sucked (they are, unfortunately, part of the soundtrack of my childhood, and i still cant bring myself to like them) i love the fall, and though mark e smith can be a bit high and mighty he certainly makes the band what it is. stupidly i went to see them and got so high on drugs all i can remember is one image of mes and one sound, which is sort of a crunchy boom
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