[Lurker]

Frank Zappa; discuss.

I like his music.

[Glice]

No no no no no no no no nonononononononononono.

No.


No. No. No. No. No.

No.

Nonononononono.

No.

I would say more, but I fear I'd be repeating myself.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

im actually listening to willie the pimp right now
woooo

now let me ask you this, do you like captain beefheart????????


(p.s. wrong forum doooood)

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by Glice

No no no no no no no no nonononononononononono.

No.


No. No. No. No. No.

No.

Nonononononono.

No.

I would say more, but I fear I'd be repeating myself.

You're an idiot. Or a Christian...oh, now I'm repeating myself.

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

im actually listening to willie the pimp right now
woooo

now let me ask you this, do you like captain beefheart????????


(p.s. wrong forum doooood)

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes ye sy yes!

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Lurker

You're an idiot. Or a Christian...oh, now I'm repeating myself.

No. I'm sorry, but no. Are you assuming I don't know my onions? I do. I can be tested. As Derek Bailey once said, "nothing is crapper than Frank Zappa". It's just the worst music, really it is.

Gaargh. I feel ill just thinking about it.

Beefheart, yes.

[Tokolosh]

Don't ya like a little humor Glice?

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Saturnine

glice, i would have expected better from you.

What? No... really? I can't stand Zappa. I don't like 'funny' music. I don't like 'ironic' music. Sorry, it's just the way I am. Half man half biscuit, yes. Zappa, no. Just... no. No. It's all I can bring myself to say.

[cryptowonderdruginvogue]

i think theres a lot of great musicians who could/could have been fucking AMAZING
but they were handicapped because they wrote really funny/funky/unserious material
but they're fucking amazing artists either way

and shit, who gives a rats ass.
ween is on my top 5
and they are hardly serious at all


what am i saying?
man im going to shut up

[Lurker]

Originally Posted by Glice

No. I'm sorry, but no. Are you assuming I don't know my onions? I do. I can be tested. As Derek Bailey once said, "nothing is crapper than Frank Zappa". It's just the worst music, really it is.

Gaargh. I feel ill just thinking about it.

Beefheart, yes.

Oh I'm sure you know your onions. Not a personal attack. I don't know who Derek Bailey is but he's wrong.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by Tokolosh

Don't ya like a little humor Glice?

It's not humour though. It's the worst kind of parasitical pseud bollocks I can think of. Ironic kids humour. It's really, really poor. Honestly, I don't get it at all. It's just really, really bad.

I should stop posting. Sorry people, there are very few musicians who irritate me more than Zappa. Crap crap crap.

Ivor Cutlor - now, there's a man who could deliver a joke. Seek him out.

[Lurker]

This is a discussion thread. If you want to criticise Zappa please do.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Glice

No no no no no no no no nonononononononononono.

No.


No. No. No. No. No.

No.

Nonononononono.

No.

I would say more, but I fear I'd be repeating myself.

You love it reading my mind,don't you?
To that i'll add:
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONNONON ONONNONONONNONONONONNONONONONONNONONONONONONONONON ONONONONONONONONONONONONO .......NO!

[Glice]

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue

i think theres a lot of great musicians who could/could have been fucking AMAZING
but they were handicapped because they wrote really funny/funky/unserious material
but they're fucking amazing artists either way

and shit, who gives a rats ass.
ween is on my top 5
and they are hardly serious at all


what am i saying?
man im going to shut up

Ah. Now this is pretty spot on. I think Zappa is, clearly, very talented. But, for me, anyone who feels the need to take the piss out of other genres is lacking in imagination of their own. See also 'ironic' ska-punk covers of pop songs. The pop songs are always better, every single time. It just seems like the kid in class who just takes the piss out of everything, and then one day everyone realises that he doesn't actually have anything to contribute, and everyone ends up hating him.

The music is entirely contingent to one appreciation of music, ie, that which is 'opposed' to so-called saccharine 'pop'. The problem is, as any classics student will tell you, any parody only serves to strengthen the greatness of the original. Insofar as you give air-time to a 'parody', you are thereby measured, after the 'joke' has disappeared, next to the (always better and broader) corpus of the parodied. There is room for humour in music, it's entirely necessary. But that humour cannot be in opposition to other things, it must be funny in and of itself in order to cast itself free from its own critique.

Again, I really should stop.

[porkmarras]

Originally Posted by Saturnine

i knew you had no sense of humor. i was just waiting for you to admit it.

Frank Zappa committed the indignity of not even being funny at his comedy music thing.Trash,garbage,rubbish rubbish rubbish!

[Glice]

...

I KNEW PORKIE WAS WITH ME ON THIS! I KNEW IT! And I'm actually quite happy about it.

[Tokolosh]

Please, nobody start a zAPPa Vs beefheart thread!

[porkmarras]

While humor is an incredibly important thing for certain types of music to survive,i totally think that it is wrong when it becomes the main attraction to the music itself.It works only when not the artist nor the music want to be taken seriously,yes,but the same can't be said for Zappa himself.Really,some artists you wonder why they bothered and how they survived with such a one trick pony of a half idea.To conclude:
Humor and music=fine
Comedy and music=Not fine

[porkmarras]

[quote=Saturnine]i'll get right on that.[/quote}
Somebody stop her.Now!!

[krastian]

Originally Posted by porkmarras

Frank Zappa committed the indignity of not even being funny at his comedy music thing.Trash,garbage,rubbish rubbish rubbish!

True, the later chessy stuff can get on my nerves, but the early stuff through the mid seventies is really funny because it's so insane and dead on satire of all the hippies. It's not all "comedy music"...there is some really great stuff there.


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