Zorn and Sonic Youth

BrokenSocialScene · 10.03.2006, 10:14 PM

The avant-garde commununity is not too big... how come some names such as Marclay and Mori have been performing with SY and Zorn... yet there is no collaborations between the two "legends"?
Is there some kind of bad blood or opinion differences?
thanks Alex

Everyneurotic · 10.03.2006, 10:23 PM

you like crappy social scene?

el duderino · 10.04.2006, 12:08 AM

i was thinking this the other day too actually..is there any relationship between them? I know that in the late 70s early 80s Zorn etc was in the older crowd than the SY guys...But you'd think that at least by now they would have collaborated

sonicl · 10.04.2006, 03:40 AM

I'm not sure that Zorn and SY mix in the same circles all that much. Members of SY have played at Tonic (that did used to be run by Zorn, didn't it?), but I think that's as close a link as could be drawn between the two.

There used to be two fairly distinct alt-musical scenes in NY, I think, and there wasn't a great amount of crossover between them. Possibly there's some kind of a hangover from that, or maybe SY have just built up better links with other saxophonists (e.g. the guys from Borbetomagus).

skipvacuum · 10.04.2006, 05:52 AM

i have a vid of thurston with zorn....new music cafe,ny 1990
so they kinda sorta got together.........

Pookie · 10.04.2006, 05:56 AM

I still have an edition of the South Bank Show featuring Zorn & Sonic Youth from about 1990 on video. At one point Thurston picks up a Zorn CD and tells the interviewer they should do a programme about him.

skipvacuum · 10.04.2006, 06:02 AM

he also says...he should put it in his trade pile cuz "times change"

Pookie · 10.04.2006, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by skipvacuum

he also says...he should put it in his trade pile cuz "times change"

Is this widely available, because it's a great little film.

sonicl · 10.04.2006, 06:15 AM

Sadly not, although I think it turns up quite a lot on the download sites, and there's a bootleg DVD of it for sale on ebay at the moment.

Pookie · 10.04.2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sonicl

Sadly not, although I think it turns up quite a lot on the download sites, and there's a bootleg DVD of it for sale on ebay at the moment.

Have you seen it?

sonicl · 10.04.2006, 06:25 AM

Many many years ago, yes, when it was on the South Bank Show, but I can remember bits of it quite well.

Pookie · 10.04.2006, 06:28 AM

I'm watching it right now. Great, slightly awkward conversation between SY and John Cale.

Pookie · 10.04.2006, 06:30 AM

Thurston to Steve just before shooting him: "Bob Bert was really good, but you SUCK!"

Pookie · 10.04.2006, 06:37 AM

It was 1989.

sonicl · 10.04.2006, 07:01 AM

It would be so much better on a big screen though, wouldn't it?

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...newpost&t=6661

zulfiqar · 10.06.2006, 01:09 AM

I was just thinking about this today. I would pay unhealthy amounts of cold hard cash for a SY/Zorn collaboration.

and sheesh! It's not like Zorn doesn't have the money for it now! The MacArthur Foundation gave him $500,000 dollars in a genius grant.

greenlight · 10.06.2006, 11:04 AM

I'm not aware of SY and Zorn's collaboration, but Thurston definitelly played with him.

blue sunlover · 10.06.2006, 11:18 AM

this is shizomanic
I LOVE YOU I HATE YOU I LOVE YOU TIL I HATE YOU I HATE TIL I LOVE YOU HATE IS LOVE AND LOVE IS HATE CIRCLE OR BOX BURGLER OR FOX AND EVERLASTING NON_SENSE

scott v · 10.06.2006, 01:37 PM

The need of this collaboration doesn't seem to make entire sense to me, i dunno Zorn kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth sometimes (i.e. the 20 billion unnecessary Masada releases is one such example!) it would be interesting if it were like circa 1990 again but these days Zorn is in pretty different territory than SY. i dunno thats just my opinion. though i give him major kudos w/ opening The Stone!

Zorn's best material was circa the early 80's when he did those game pieces and scores when he was sorta the Maruicio Kagel of the lower downtown improv nyc scene... nowadays nearly everything he does i have little interest in hearing. even the Tzadik label which will have quite a few amazing recordings just releases too much pretentious shit as well.

HaydenAsche · 10.06.2006, 01:39 PM

Zorn is lame.

Stephen Colbert should've got that genius grant.

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el duderino bad moon rising Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 120	i was thinking this the other day too actually..is there any relationship between them? I know that in the late 70s early 80s Zorn etc was in the older crowd than the SY guys...But you'd think that at least by now they would have collaborated
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sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	I'm not sure that Zorn and SY mix in the same circles all that much. Members of SY have played at Tonic (that did used to be run by Zorn, didn't it?), but I think that's as close a link as could be drawn between the two. There used to be two fairly distinct alt-musical scenes in NY, I think, and there wasn't a great amount of crossover between them. Possibly there's some kind of a hangover from that, or maybe SY have just built up better links with other saxophonists (e.g. the guys from Borbetomagus).
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skipvacuum stalker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: dirtmont,pa Posts: 487	i have a vid of thurston with zorn....new music cafe,ny 1990 so they kinda sorta got together......... __________________ thank you from the bottom of my sonic addled heart
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Pookie invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,877	I still have an edition of the South Bank Show featuring Zorn & Sonic Youth from about 1990 on video. At one point Thurston picks up a Zorn CD and tells the interviewer they should do a programme about him.
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sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	Sadly not, although I think it turns up quite a lot on the download sites, and there's a bootleg DVD of it for sale on ebay at the moment.
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10.04.2006, 06:25 AM	#11
sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	Many many years ago, yes, when it was on the South Bank Show, but I can remember bits of it quite well.
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Pookie invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,877	I'm watching it right now. Great, slightly awkward conversation between SY and John Cale.
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10.04.2006, 06:30 AM	#13
Pookie invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,877	Thurston to Steve just before shooting him: "Bob Bert was really good, but you SUCK!"
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Pookie invito al cielo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,877	It was 1989.
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10.04.2006, 07:01 AM	#15
sonicl invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,527	It would be so much better on a big screen though, wouldn't it? http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...newpost&t=6661
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10.06.2006, 01:09 AM	#16
zulfiqar empty page Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18	I was just thinking about this today. I would pay unhealthy amounts of cold hard cash for a SY/Zorn collaboration. and sheesh! It's not like Zorn doesn't have the money for it now! The MacArthur Foundation gave him $500,000 dollars in a genius grant.
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greenlight invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,131	I'm not aware of SY and Zorn's collaboration, but Thurston definitelly played with him.
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scott v expwy. to yr skull Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,484	The need of this collaboration doesn't seem to make entire sense to me, i dunno Zorn kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth sometimes (i.e. the 20 billion unnecessary Masada releases is one such example!) it would be interesting if it were like circa 1990 again but these days Zorn is in pretty different territory than SY. i dunno thats just my opinion. though i give him major kudos w/ opening The Stone! Zorn's best material was circa the early 80's when he did those game pieces and scores when he was sorta the Maruicio Kagel of the lower downtown improv nyc scene... nowadays nearly everything he does i have little interest in hearing. even the Tzadik label which will have quite a few amazing recordings just releases too much pretentious shit as well.
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HaydenAsche invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10,755	Zorn is lame. Stephen Colbert should've got that genius grant. __________________ rip
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