[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

tulsi is a herb

(really)

That just reiterates what I've seen already. All I know about her is she was a Bernie supporter, impressive public speaker and something of a loose cannon. What are her actual policy positions now?

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Skuj

Ok I'll bite: Why? Do you think he would be a good AG?

I think he would be disastrous for the administration which is why I'm disappointed he's out. He would have been the best appointment since Scaramucci.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

That just reiterates what I've seen already. All I know about her is she was a Bernie supporter, impressive public speaker and something of a loose cannon. What are her actual policy positions now?

i never saw anything impressive in her, she striked me as a self absorbed narcissist

her primary candidacy was shit

she has a point about the democrats obsession with "wokeism" (whatever the hell that means now) but the faction she joined isn't any better

anyway she loves putin and she's fucking boring but here's a wikipedia about her shit if you wanna read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi..._Tulsi_Gabbard

she also has a website the address is her name

also has a book and i guess you could read it (preferrably without paying please)

groan

i dont have time for her

tldr tulsi is a herb

[Skuj]

SYG still teaches me shit. Today I learned about "herbs". (Not the edible kind.)

Previously in my SYG life, I shunned/chastised the Trumpbots. But here we are, facing 8 years of Trump. Now I'm as furious as ever.....but as curious as ever. I want to know. I want to understand. I'll try to.....talk.....with Trumpbots.

(Sorry! My bad. Trump Supporters.)

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

I think he would be disastrous for the administration which is why I'm disappointed he's out. He would have been the best appointment since Scaramucci.

Oh! Right! Ok.

(Call me crazy, but I actually like the Much. The reason he famously lasted 11 days is because he is....intelligent!)

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

hahaha!
impressive or not (one can still debate)

unless you do some hardcore revisionism, i don't see how that's even up for debate.
my personal favourite from elon is brain-computer interfaces but yes ofc i love massive satellite constellations. and i'm sure you do too (finally smt that doesn't feel like dial-up uh?)

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by Skuj

Previously in my SYG life, I shunned/chastised the Trumpbots. But here we are, facing 8 years of Trump.

is this yr bluesky bio?

can you imagine skuj unfurling from fetal position to go fight the meanies on syg? (the whole 5 people that post here)

[Skuj]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

is this yr bluesky bio?

can you imagine skuj unfurling from fetal position to go fight the meanies on syg? (the whole 5 people that post here)

Well, it used to be, like....15!!!

Bluesky is in the news a lot lately. Ie The exodus from Twitter. (Yes, that's what I call it.) I checked it out. The first thing I saw was a Jack Smith account, with a Jack Smith pic, but it was not really Jack Smith.

No thanks.

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by Skuj

Well, it used to be, like....15!!!

Bluesky is in the news a lot lately. Ie The exodus from Twitter. (Yes, that's what I call it.) I checked it out. The first thing I saw was a Jack Smith account, with a Jack Smith pic, but it was not really Jack Smith.

No thanks.

Looking back at your work on the internet frontlines for the democrat party, what would you say are the Biden administration's achievements that make you the proudest?

Perhaps stirring up a conflict that killed, so far, over half a million people? Would that be high on your list?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

unless you do some hardcore revisionism, i don't see how that's even up for debate.

wait, weren't you for free speech? isn't everything "just another theory"? everything is up for debate then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)my personal favourite from elon is brain-computer interfaces but yes ofc i love [URL="https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink"

massive satellite constellations[/url]. and i'm sure you do too (finally smt that doesn't feel like dial-up uh?)

yes, the mountain hovel is finally inhabitable. i mean in a reasonable way. as long as he doesn't take his toys and go home OR gives full access to palantir (who says he hasn't already?). "free speech for me but not for thee" is his modus operandi. he taunts democracies but bows to tyrants whenever it's convenient. please note this and note it well

anyway reusable rockets etc are his best project of all

shit that disappoints:

#1 tantrums over everything. i mean. please. key person risk the major fly in the ointment. the fact that ultimately HE is the product is the problem here. if he could remove his ego from the things, it would be glorious

#2 the twatter takeover, an ugly circus. an autistic in charge of social anything is peter's principle incarnate

#3 electric cars are NOT going to "save the world". tesla might be the greatest meme stock ever. valuation and fundamentals do not match. self driving, whatever. is the car the product or is elon the product? or is the product some amazing vaporware always just around the corner? or is the product *the vaporware suckers*? (seems to me it's ultimately the latter)

*** when i say up for debate i really mean checking the fundamentals vs the hype. because according to the buttlickers he can do no wrong and everything is marvels. but alternative facts must be compared against actual facts ***

#4 there is still no planet b and if he wants to send 100k people to mars please let him go in the first group because of #1 again

the hole under vegas has been made fun of plenty but to me ultimately who cares. discovery requires experimentation and whatever, it's just a harmless hole. only please don't lie about it

the brain interface is promising, but terrifying because he's the one who holds the reins. what if he has a tantrum and fucks with your switches? hahahhaha. goddamn. who wants his mind fisted by elon? hard pass

that is the problem right there. a boy genius is still a boy. and he likes to have his way and never be told no. key person risk rears its ugly head. i'd rather have the predictable consistency of a bureaucracy over the caprices of an individual when it comes to regulatory policies

so: i'll believe it when i see it. religious types say: no, you have to believe it in order to see it. same as scams! but okay maybe for some things you must have faith lol. it's just that i'm not religious, and even if i were, he would not be my god

boy genius does have some nice toys though, yes. he bought and broke the social toy over a tantrum and continues to have tantrums and everybody better run and hide when he does or he'll bring his thunderbolts lol

tldr:

 

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

Looking back at your work on the internet frontlines for the democrat party, what would you say are the Biden administration's achievements that make you the proudest?

Perhaps stirring up a conflict that killed, so far, over half a million people? Would that be high on your list?

you didnt ask me this, but here's some data (not "stories" and murmurs and alternative tentacles)

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...lishment-data/

some of the predictions there went wrong but us data on jobs ans economy is solid unlike the rest of the world. and yes the fiscal stimulus boosted employement but stoked inflation. it is ALWAYS one or the other in our keynesian world

but biden stirred what? xD

come on man. even meloni knows different. obviously you're trying to trigger skuj, but please no shitposting...

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but biden stirred what? xD

If you care to listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCBkN-UDd0

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

If you care to listen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCBkN-UDd0

ah the nato expansion yes

im more of a reader because video takes too long to make a point, although i saw the entire oliver stone interview with putin, in however many parts it took

anyway here is sachs in writing:

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaperx...jr4wf6aayhrszm

the nato thing is a bigger thing than biden altogether, and sachs is not the ultimate authority on it. he is/was an economist focused on development, pushing for foreign aid and a pal of bono... anyway this is neither here nor there, but if youre into conservatism, watch a betsy devos sponsored documentary about how foreign aid ruined haiti... eta POVERTY INC. https://www.povertyinc.org/

but anyway here i offer for your and tulsi's and tesla's paranoia the counterargument of our reptilian alien overlords:

https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/wha...y-want-ukraine

im not saying this one or that one is transcendentally or absolutely "right," it's just that in this case of empire vs empire i think i know who are my teammates in the end. for communists, the bourgeoisie is the real enemy everywhere. me, i prefer my bourgeoisie warts and all. so maybe i'm the sheeple, as one can never knows for sure for whom one works, but eh...

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ah the nato expansion yes

im more of a reader because video takes too long to make a point, although i saw the entire oliver stone interview with putin, in however many parts it took

anyway here is sachs in writing:

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaperx...jr4wf6aayhrszm

the nato thing is a bigger thing than biden altogether, and sachs is not the ultimate authority on it. he is/was an economist focused on development, pushing for foreign aid and a pal of bono... anyway this is neither here nor there, but if youre into conservatism, watch a betsy devos sponsored documentary about how foreign aid ruined haiti... eta POVERTY INC. https://www.povertyinc.org/

but anyway here i offer for your and tulsi's and tesla's paranoia the counterargument of our reptilian alien overlords:

https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/wha...y-want-ukraine

im not saying this one or that one is transcendentally or absolutely "right," it's just that in this case of empire vs empire i think i know who are my teammates in the end. for communists, the bourgeoisie is the real enemy everywhere. me, i prefer my bourgeoisie warts and all. so maybe i'm the sheeple, as one can never knows for sure for whom one works, but eh...

If you're simply gonna dismiss US's ambition to power and to retain power as paranoia, I don't think there's much we can discuss further on this topic. Thanks for the wikipedia abstract on Jeff Sachs.

But If you are willing to bare the slowness as you put it (there's a playback speed button btw), this is a good conversation with Sachs and John Mearsheimer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFtyDy_Bt0

They do go on a little bit on something you touched before - "standing up to tyranny", enforcing democracy and state building.

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

If you're simply gonna dismiss US's ambition to power and to retain power as paranoia, I don't think there's much we can discuss further on this topic. Thanks for the wikipedia abstract on Jeff Sachs.

But If you are willing to bare the slowness as you put it (there's a playback speed button btw), this is a good conversation with Sachs and John Mearsheimer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFtyDy_Bt0

They do go on a little bit on something you touched before - "standing up to tyranny", enforcing democracy and state building.

that wasnt a wikipedia, that was sach's own writing on the subject of the yootoob

and hell no, im not dismissing us ambition hahahha, i am counting on it 100%!

but i am not dismissing the other side's ambition either, which would be the naive position. that is a dangerous fallacy, assuming that because your side is bad it makes the other good. we can totally have 2 bad sides. most of the time, they are

and anyway yes, i prefer the american empire over the the other empire. i can see america's problems, but i'm not gonna switch sides at this point like "hanoi jane" hahhaahhaa

 

anyway i'll try to check out your yootoob after lunch maybe, ok

[Genteel Death 2]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

MARRASSSS )))
I think I just hung out with the wrong communists. You would've converted me Marras.

Actually hold on, I'm pretty sure it was you who guided me to people like Boyd Rice.
Maybe you're right and fascism makes me horny and it's all your fault.

I don't even consider Boyd Rice to be a serious fascist. More an attention seeker.

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

but i am not dismissing the other side's ambition either, which would be the naive position. that is a dangerous fallacy, assuming that because your side is bad it makes the other good. we can totally have 2 bad sides. most of the time, they are

and anyway yes, i prefer the american empire over the the other empire.

Well you are not even listening to the other side. Putin is a tyrant and you think the solution to the problem is to be a moral absolutist, it doesn't really matter how many people get killed in the process, especially if it's none of your people.

[verme (prevaricator)]

Originally Posted by Genteel Death 2

I don't even consider Boyd Rice to be a serious fascist. More an attention seeker.

Oh, I know you don't. And I can't be sure, but I think I'd agree with you.

Do you consider Trump a serious fascist?

[Skuj]

Well it seems that we have picked ourselves up off the floor at least.

I won't take hardly any bait. Just a bit though:

We are finishing up 4 years of normalcy vice chaos. Biden will not get much credit for the post pandemic and post Trump righting of the ship. I think half the country wants to be entertained though. Competency was boring, I guess.

And yes - war is hell. But, October 7th. Wtf was Israel supposed to do after that? How about them hostages?

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by verme (prevaricator)

Well you are not even listening to the other side. Putin is a tyrant and you think the solution to the problem is to be a moral absolutist, it doesn't really matter how many people get killed in the process, especially if it's none of your people.

no, you're the one who is not listening (to what i'm trying to say). you'e just projecting scripts and tropes on me

for me it's not that this is a war about morality or that "it doesn't really matter how many people get killed in the process"

it's that i have no control over it

didnt you watch the youtube you just sent me to?

there is an internal logic to international politics under conditions of anarchy. it's very hobbesian

now, MEARSHEIMER--FUCK YES! that there is the light of reason. he makes perfect sense to me

sachs is a bleeding heart, a nice man, and like mearsheimer says, my heart is with him, but my head is somewhere else. he's naive to think everybody can get along. it has never happened in history and it's never going to happen

you heard it there, from both guests, the policy is not biden's policy (as much as sachs would try to frame it that way by cherrypicking facts), it's united states policy over decades, centuries even, going back to imperial germany (woodrow wilson hi)

now if you were to say to me, in realist terms, the way that mearsheimer says it, that alienating russia is a bad strategy because it distracts from the rising conflict with china, sure, i could agree with you on that basis. but i cannot agree with you on the basis of jeff sachs's or tulsi's arguments. the world just does not work that way

i often drive soup nazi to despair over my frequent answer that "it is what it is" when he protests something, but i really try be lucid and not wishful when observing humans