cumbia / vallenato / chicha

m1rr0r dash · 10.30.2007, 10:08 AM

last time i was at my parents place i was going through my mom's record collection, mostly checking out the discos fuentes stuff from the 60s and 70s. i converted a cumbia collection to mp3, but i want to get some stuff on cd... any recommendations?

Everyneurotic · 10.30.2007, 10:48 AM

stay away from it?

sorry, i only like classic salsa from the 70's and some scattered songs.

Disgruntled Youth · 10.30.2007, 06:04 PM

Fania All-Stars is the shiznite!!!

!@#$%! · 10.30.2007, 08:04 PM

dude are your parents colombian?

m1rr0r dash · 10.30.2007, 08:49 PM

thanks disgruntled, i'll have to check that out.

in the meantime, i just downloaded this compilation from amazon called The Roots of Chicha: Psychedelic Cumbias from Peru. it's like some of the colombian cumbias that started me on this search, but with surf guitar instead of accordion. very cool.

also found a documentary on vallenato called Shotguns and Accordions: Music of the Marijuana Growing Regions of Colombia... hopefully this will yield some good finds...

any other latin peeps out there with pimp folklorico suggestions?

m1rr0r dash · 10.30.2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

dude are your parents colombian?

my mom's colombian (from manizales), my dad's belgian (from kortrijk).

coffee + chocolate = mocha.

!@#$%! · 10.30.2007, 10:58 PM

i see. that explains the vintage records.

well chicha is part andean part tropical music. a horrid mongrel, but if you enjoy, enjoy!

anyway if you're interested in the andean side, well-- google it?

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/MUSICA-DE-LOS-AN...QQcmdZViewItem

ouch-- pricey!

Everyneurotic · 10.30.2007, 11:04 PM

protest music from the 70's (often mixed with a wide amalgam of folk) kicks ass.

as i mentioned earlier, salsa is were it's at for tropical dance music, there's even some awesome contemporary stuff.

and, why not? check out ranchero/norteño music from mexico.

m1rr0r dash · 10.30.2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i see. that explains the vintage records.

well chicha is part andean part tropical music. a horrid mongrel, but if you enjoy, enjoy!

oh !@#$%!, you're so bougie. ...and being a mongrel, what would you expect me to listen to?

wikipedia on chicha:

It is a subgenre of the Cumbia, and it is very popular with the lower social classes. The higher classes generally view the music with contempt...

anyway, if chicha is a horrid mongrel, what does that make ozomatli?

You drive down Sunset Boulevard and turn off your stereo and roll down your windows and all the music that comes out of each and every different car, whether it's salsa, cumbia, merengue, or hip hop, funk or whatever, it's that crazy blend that's going on between that cacophony of sound is Ozomatli, y'know?

...or the spam allstars?

Spam Allstars blend improvisational electronic elements and turntables with latin, funk, hip hop and dub to create a sound that is unique – an electronic descarga. It’s not a known genre. It’s hard to describe. But as we look out and see people dancing salsa, next to break-dancers -- we know something very special is going on.

Everyneurotic · 10.30.2007, 11:33 PM

ozomatli sucks.

!@#$%! · 10.31.2007, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

oh !@#$%!, you're so bougie. ...and being a mongrel, what would you expect me to listen to?

ha ha ha. i dont know. i think i outmongrel you, genetically speaking.

i plead guilty on the bougie charges though. my derelict experiences were of my own choosing, not imposed by breeding. what can i do.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

wikipedia on chicha:

It is a subgenre of the Cumbia, and it is very popular with the lower social classes. The higher classes generally view the music with contempt...

no it's not a "subgenre". it's musica tropicalandina. you could also say it's a "subgenre" of andean music. with electric guitars. and tropical beats.

it's the awful, awful lyrics, and the monotonous beats that get me though

what can i say.

thought chicha has evolved over the years, i don't know what's going on with it yet.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

anyway, if chicha is a horrid mongrel, what does that make ozomatli?

no idea...

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

You drive down Sunset Boulevard and turn off your stereo and roll down your windows and all the music that comes out of each and every different car, whether it's salsa, cumbia, merengue, or hip hop, funk or whatever, it's that crazy blend that's going on between that cacophony of sound is Ozomatli, y'know?

oh. sunset boulevard...

ha ha ha. hm... uh??

.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

..or the spam allstars?

lost again.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

Spam Allstars blend improvisational electronic elements and turntables with latin, funk, hip hop and dub to create a sound that is unique – an electronic descarga. It’s not a known genre. It’s hard to describe. But as we look out and see people dancing salsa, next to break-dancers -- we know something very special is going on.

oh. hm. that sounds interesting. got any recording to share or something?

--

hector lavoe FTW. great lyrics.

SynthethicalY · 10.31.2007, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

any other latin peeps out there with pimp folklorico suggestions?

I would help, but not for the fact that I have been anglocized from my teenage years. Sorry.

!@#$%! · 10.31.2007, 04:02 AM

hey this is not bad-- it approaches jazz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jPtfhYHpk4

!@#$%! · 10.31.2007, 04:12 AM

otra: typical chicha:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYqV0ClEBQY

chicha classique

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VMNAa5yS9nc

more
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hrLxLcFRy2U

if this doesnt make you suffer, nothing will
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6U0CC2bZNnA

m1rr0r dash · 10.31.2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SynthethicalY

I would help, but not for the fact that I have been anglocized from my teenage years. Sorry.

yeah me also... or i wouldn't be asking.

m1rr0r dash · 10.31.2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

otra: typical chicha:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYqV0ClEBQY

chicha classique

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VMNAa5yS9nc

more
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hrLxLcFRy2U

if this doesnt make you suffer, nothing will
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6U0CC2bZNnA

hmm. i can see why you might have a low opinion of the genre, though i suspect you were trying to find the worst example... and you might have found it with MAYK Y LOS SUPER SENSUALES! wow!

for what it's worth here are two of the songs on the The Roots of Chicha: Psychedelic Cumbias from Peru compilation i just got:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICqEhmGmYBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIk3R14ArO8

since you asked, here's some spam allstars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_6vE-1Z3GU
...i was at this show actually, though i couldn't find myself in this video. this was my introduction to the spam allstars. funny that they're from mee-ami and play gainesville all the time, but i didn't pay any attention til i saw them at a club in nyc.

here's a music video of theirs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7UXwEZuOM

Everyneurotic · 10.31.2007, 10:51 AM

hector lavoe is salsa.

Disgruntled Youth · 10.31.2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

hector lavoe is salsa.

The King of... get it right dude!!!

check out:
Willie Colon
Ruben Blades
Mongo Santamaria
Ray Barreto
Ismael Rivera
Roberto Roena y su Apollo Sound
El Gran Combo

More modern sound check out:
Rey Ruiz
Frankie Ruiz
Marc Anthony

For some reason this is what the Japanese have been digging for on wax, all great stuff.

Disgruntled Youth · 10.31.2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

thanks disgruntled, i'll have to check that out.

in the meantime, i just downloaded this compilation from amazon called The Roots of Chicha: Psychedelic Cumbias from Peru. it's like some of the colombian cumbias that started me on this search, but with surf guitar instead of accordion. very cool.

also found a documentary on vallenato called Shotguns and Accordions: Music of the Marijuana Growing Regions of Colombia... hopefully this will yield some good finds...

any other latin peeps out there with pimp folklorico suggestions?

From my country Venezuela check out Ali Primera

Everyneurotic · 10.31.2007, 11:14 PM

a friend just messaged me this link:

http://www.barbesrecords.com/rootsofchicha.html

sounds pretty awesome if you ask me.

10.30.2007, 10:08 AM	#1
m1rr0r dash invito al cielo Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: atari Posts: 2,228	last time i was at my parents place i was going through my mom's record collection, mostly checking out the discos fuentes stuff from the 60s and 70s. i converted a cumbia collection to mp3, but i want to get some stuff on cd... any recommendations? __________________
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Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	stay away from it? sorry, i only like classic salsa from the 70's and some scattered songs. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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10.30.2007, 08:49 PM	#5
m1rr0r dash invito al cielo Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: atari Posts: 2,228	thanks disgruntled, i'll have to check that out. in the meantime, i just downloaded this compilation from amazon called The Roots of Chicha: Psychedelic Cumbias from Peru. it's like some of the colombian cumbias that started me on this search, but with surf guitar instead of accordion. very cool. also found a documentary on vallenato called Shotguns and Accordions: Music of the Marijuana Growing Regions of Colombia... hopefully this will yield some good finds... any other latin peeps out there with pimp folklorico suggestions? __________________
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10.30.2007, 10:58 PM	#7
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,584	i see. that explains the vintage records. well chicha is part andean part tropical music. a horrid mongrel, but if you enjoy, enjoy! anyway if you're interested in the andean side, well-- google it? or http://cgi.ebay.com/MUSICA-DE-LOS-AN...QQcmdZViewItem ouch-- pricey!
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10.30.2007, 11:04 PM	#8
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	protest music from the 70's (often mixed with a wide amalgam of folk) kicks ass. as i mentioned earlier, salsa is were it's at for tropical dance music, there's even some awesome contemporary stuff. and, why not? check out ranchero/norteño music from mexico. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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10.30.2007, 11:33 PM	#10
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	ozomatli sucks. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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10.31.2007, 04:02 AM	#13
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,584	hey this is not bad-- it approaches jazz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jPtfhYHpk4
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10.31.2007, 04:12 AM	#14
!@#$%! invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: mars attacks Posts: 42,584	otra: typical chicha: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oYqV0ClEBQY chicha classique http://youtube.com/watch?v=VMNAa5yS9nc more http://youtube.com/watch?v=hrLxLcFRy2U if this doesnt make you suffer, nothing will http://youtube.com/watch?v=6U0CC2bZNnA
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10.31.2007, 10:51 AM	#17
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	hector lavoe is salsa. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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10.31.2007, 11:14 PM	#20
Everyneurotic invito al cielo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 15,713	a friend just messaged me this link: http://www.barbesrecords.com/rootsofchicha.html sounds pretty awesome if you ask me. __________________ Richard Clayderman found alive and still bland! Repo Man has all night! Photographic evidence of Monosodic's existance! New Kiddieriot shit after all! Never too late to share fave rex from the year before! David Keenan is a douchebag! Ron Asheton missed!
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