[Glice]

Not just Wales' finest...

I've been fucking caning this lately, and this is also awesome. This is them in pop mode (ish).

Basically, there are two bands that are a bit like Fall and not shit, Datblygu and Prolapse. Problapse, as it happens, are also a bit like Stereolab and Neu! but I think they're better than both. Contrary fucker that I am.

And if you don't agree, you're probably a cunt, and definitely wrong.

[Glice]

Pronounced Dat-bloo-gee.

[demonrail666]

They're like three great bands in one. Which is fucking clever, if you ask me.

[Glice]

Yes.

I'll upload some at some point. Yes!

[demonrail666]

I've come to the conclusion that the Welsh are like Britain's answer to New Zealanders.

[Toilet & Bowels]

if anything i'd say the scotch are more like new zealand

[pbradley]

fuck, that second video is pretty badass

Had no idea of what he was saying of course, but still felt like bombing something.

So, obvious question, what album?

[DJ Rick]

I took a brief van ride with the Country Teasers one time. They popped the stereo on and it was playing "Problem y Bywyd"...which is the one song that I have phonetically learned a few lyrics of for singalong purposes in my own car on long roadtrips. That deadpan helps me get through the doldrums midway between Sacto and Portland. They were astonished....but they still had to tell me that I was pronouncing Datblygu all wrong.

A retrospective release is long overdue in my book.

[Glice]

Their first three albums are available on 2 CDs, and the Peel sessions CD is also available from Ankst records.

Early tapes downloadable Here.

One of the times I saw the Rebel (of the Country Teasers) he did a cover of a Datblygu song (I can't remember which one) and it was awesome. He's a man of fine taste, that Waller fella.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Glice

Their first three albums are available on 2 CDs

i saw that in a record shop quite recently, but now i can't remember which one it was so i can't go back and buy it.

[DJ Rick]

I should say a vinyl reissue then!

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

if anything i'd say the scotch are more like new zealand

welsh and NZ have obscure ways of talking and are both equally hard to understand..
I guess some scottish is like that.. but welsh.. wins. imho.

http://www.heart-of-wales.co.uk/welsh.htm

[Glice]

Originally Posted by phoenix

welsh and NZ have obscure ways of talking and are both equally hard to understand..
I guess some scottish is like that.. but welsh.. wins. imho.

http://www.heart-of-wales.co.uk/welsh.htm

It's not obscure, it's a different language. An older one than English, and by some accounts, the oldest in Europe. This probably seems like me being pernickity.

I don't know if you're referring to say a Glasgow accent or actual Scots Gaelic above...The Scottish have their own language, but I'm not sure if that's a unified whole language? I've a feeling that Harris and the Hebrides speaks a different version to mainland Scots Gaelic And Cornish seems like a contemporary re-construction.

Nefeli - it apparently means 'development'. And it's pronounced like that because it's Welsh. It would seem from Phoenix's link above that their syntax is closer to German than English.

Language lessons and Welsh pop. Life is good.

This is some great shit. Thanks for the OOP tapes too. I will definitely hunt down that CD.

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by phoenix

welsh and NZ have obscure ways of talking and are both equally hard to understand..
I guess some scottish is like that.. but welsh.. wins. imho.

http://www.heart-of-wales.co.uk/welsh.htm

i was thinking in terms of both (scotch & NZ) being small countries that produced a considerable quantity of DIY and post-punk guitar pop bands. but then for the welsh/NZ arguement there are also the multitude allegations of human/ovine relations.

[pokkeherrie]

sheep shaggers!

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by Glice

It's not obscure,




it's a different language. An older one than English, and by some accounts, the oldest in Europe.

so why is it not obscure


are you welsh and offended?

it was a comparison made purely because the sound of welsh is astonishing to me. The fact that it exists whilst not really being a remote area dialect makes it amusing. to me.

guess not to you though.

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

i was thinking in terms of both (scotch & NZ) being small countries that produced a considerable quantity of DIY and post-punk guitar pop bands.

weirdly I've listened to and had more exposure to scottish music than to nz sounds... probably all waiting their turn with the one internet connection so they can be able to upload to myspace.

actually I'm not sure of the real reason for it. Either it doesn't catch my ear or I just .. don't notice that the band is nz and not oz? hm.

[Glice]

Originally Posted by phoenix

so why is it not obscure


are you welsh and offended?

it was a comparison made purely because the sound of welsh is astonishing to me. The fact that it exists whilst not really being a remote area dialect makes it amusing. to me.

guess not to you though.

I'm not Welsh or offended - it's just that obscure has, to me, connotations of being awkward, deliberately difficult - I don't think of all British languages Welsh is the least 'obscure'. I hate to use the dictionary definition...I suppose you're using obscure meaning 'not clear to the understanding' (?), but I think that's a misnomer - If you don't speak Mandarin, that doesn't make the language Mandarin obscure; there are literally tens of thousands of langauges, and by comparison to many, Weslh is very well-spoken. It's not in the Mandarin/ English/ Spanish league of things, but it is a fairly big deal.

Cornish strikes me as a non-language, or a language for political ends. Scots Gaelic is a political language except in small communities where it's continued 'organically'. Irish is definitely a different thing, the politics are almost stitched into the language (see the Hedge schools)...

But yeah. It's not an important point, and I don't want to be a dick. It's something that I'm interested in, but I can entirely appreciate it doesn't make any odds to you.

[phoenix]

Originally Posted by Glice

I hate to use the dictionary definition...I suppose you're using obscure meaning 'not clear to the understanding' (?), but I think that's a misnomer - If you don't speak Mandarin, that doesn't make the language Mandarin obscure; there are literally tens of thousands of langauges, and by comparison to many, Weslh is very well-spoken. It's not in the Mandarin/ English/ Spanish league of things,

I choose 4 and 7 to represent my view concisely.

and a little bit of what you wrote there also. That it is one of tens of thousands of languages, and happens to be spoken by a reletively small population of people, and has survived and failed to .. assimilate(number 7 here http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assimilate ) despite its location.

It's fantastic that you have an interest in ancient languages, do you study it? You should.